Replacing existing storage heaters.....part P again....

[andrewws]

I need to replace seven wall storage heaters, the wiring is all in situe and they are connected to wall outlet sockets. My question is can I wire them in myself or do I need to get a Part P qualified electrician to do it. They are on economy seven.

I would have thought they come under replacing an appliance, just not using a plug. As I have wired up thousands of electrical systems in my 53 years it would seem stupid to have an electrician do it?
But I need to be compliant with the latest regulatins that have been thought up to 'protect us'.

Also can anyone recommend a make/supplier as they are quite expensive.

Thanks....

[headcase]

You can replace socket fronts without need for inspection so i guess just re wiring something into the output from a spur would be fine too.

[L1OFF]

you can do it yourself with no worries.
I'm in a similar boat as I've just bought a house and will be doing a rewire myself (qualified as electrician in 1976 and then on to chartered electrical engineer)and I still need to get it checked by a NICEIC registered spark.

Alan

[Busamav]

L1OFF said:

and I still need to get it checked by a NICEIC registered spark.

Alan

I believe Just a "person competent to do so" is all you need and then issue a suitable certificate to confirm compliance with part P .

[Ganglandboss]

Busamav said:

L1OFF said:

and I still need to get it checked by a NICEIC registered spark.

Alan

I believe Just a "person competent to do so" is all you need and then issue a suitable certificate to confirm compliance with part P .

It depends on your local authority but you don't have to NICEIC where I live (Tameside). If you can demonstrate competance, you can sign it off yourself. You still have to pay a building inspector who knows the square root of fk all to inspect your cable runs.

[andrewws]

headcase said:

You can replace socket fronts without need for inspection so i guess just re wiring something into the output from a spur would be fine too.

Thanks for that. But this is the problem with this whole part part P thing, nobody can give a definitive answer to simple questions like this. Who the hell do I ask in authority? the usual answer will always be you need to get it approved as no one is prepared to stick their neck out. This s**t is going to be applied to plumbing soon, it will not be long before you need a part something or other to cut the grass!!

[Ganglandboss]

andrewws said:

headcase said:

You can replace socket fronts without need for inspection so i guess just re wiring something into the output from a spur would be fine too.

Thanks for that. But this is the problem with this whole part part P thing, nobody can give a definitive answer to simple questions like this. Who the hell do I ask in authority? the usual answer will always be you need to get it approved as no one is prepared to stick their neck out. This s**t is going to be applied to plumbing soon, it will not be long before you need a part something or other to cut the grass!!

You can do it yourself. Straight swaps are not notifiable works.

[andrewws]

Ganglandboss said:

andrewws said:

headcase said:

You can replace socket fronts without need for inspection so i guess just re wiring something into the output from a spur would be fine too.

Thanks for that. But this is the problem with this whole part part P thing, nobody can give a definitive answer to simple questions like this. Who the hell do I ask in authority? the usual answer will always be you need to get it approved as no one is prepared to stick their neck out. This s**t is going to be applied to plumbing soon, it will not be long before you need a part something or other to cut the grass!!

You can do it yourself. Straight swaps are not notifiable works.

Thanks for the advice, do you know of any web site/link that documents this? As I need to do other stuff as well and it would be handy. Thanks...

[PistonReg]

andrewws said:

headcase said:

You can replace socket fronts without need for inspection so i guess just re wiring something into the output from a spur would be fine too.

Thanks for that. But this is the problem with this whole part part P thing, nobody can give a definitive answer to simple questions like this. Who the hell do I ask in authority? the usual answer will always be you need to get it approved as no one is prepared to stick their neck out. This s**t is going to be applied to plumbing soon, it will not be long before you need a part something or other to cut the grass!!

Have found exactly the same myself. I've been wrongly advised bya BCO that I could add socket spurs myself into a kitchen without needing to notify anyone. I've also had the same problems determining for definite what exactly is notifiable/certifable... even the major DIY manuals are very iffy on it and err on the side of caution.

I've heard this is coming to plumbing sooon. What's the progress on this. Presumably it'll just cover central heating initially. How are the council going to know when copper was installed - is it going to be date stamped at manufacture like electrical cable. Sounds ridiculous as the main driver for electrical certification was presumably safety, but I've not heard of many people drowing from leaking/poorly installed plumbing.

[andrewws]

PistonReg said:

andrewws said:

headcase said:

You can replace socket fronts without need for inspection so i guess just re wiring something into the output from a spur would be fine too.

Thanks for that. But this is the problem with this whole part part P thing, nobody can give a definitive answer to simple questions like this. Who the hell do I ask in authority? the usual answer will always be you need to get it approved as no one is prepared to stick their neck out. This s**t is going to be applied to plumbing soon, it will not be long before you need a part something or other to cut the grass!!

Have found exactly the same myself. I've been wrongly advised bya BCO that I could add socket spurs myself into a kitchen without needing to notify anyone. I've also had the same problems determining for definite what exactly is notifiable/certifable... even the major DIY manuals are very iffy on it and err on the side of caution.

I've heard this is coming to plumbing sooon. What's the progress on this. Presumably it'll just cover central heating initially. How are the council going to know when copper was installed - is it going to be date stamped at manufacture like electrical cable. Sounds ridiculous as the main driver for electrical certification was presumably safety, but I've not heard of many people drowing from leaking/poorly installed plumbing.

I think the whole thing is down to protecting the chilllddrreeenn and keeping your family safe??? It seems to me to be a way of employing more and more officials and enabling some ex cowboys to form official private bodies to regulate it, making shedloads in the process. If Part P is so f*****g strict why can you still buy materials at B&Q without taking in your birth certificate? Maybe thats the next commitees job to look at that?

I got a quote from an electrician after he told me that I am not allowed to connect them myself. 'Er, thats seven you say. Well I would need to disconnect the old ones, thats one visit. You can then change them on the wall, and I can come back and wire them in thats another visit, so we are looking at around £300 mate' Not bad bunce for at most 2 hours work plus traveling time!! And not even doing the hard bit. Ho Hum.....