Discussion
ukwill said:
anyone tried this carlos fandango polish yet??? I'm intrigued.
I have tried many of these magic products in the past and yet found any that have been close to the claims . With regards to this one in the thread not heard of it , but any polish with cutting compound will remove swirls in plastic / paint etc , i wonder how much added fillers maybe in the compound too .
Many people dont realise that alot of compounds and light fine compounds (polishes) have oils to aid the cutting process which temp fill buffer marks marring and fine scratches left by the machine correction process, and only when the panel is wiped down with a solvent to remove this residue the true correction is for all to see.
Here is an example of how good some products are now when it comes to masking paint damage using fillers (make up for cars) of course this is not like true machine correction when damaged is removed for good .
This is using auto balm paste sealent (2 coats) and thats it just had a proper wash and prep and then waxed .
before
during
remember no machine correction or even cut by hand just applied sealent .
I am sure it could be sold as if it has some cut , then worded will remove fine scratches , lets face if you wiped this product across your cars paint surface you would believe it does so , until the sealent washes off in a few weeks/month and you are back with the same damage you started with .
Kelly
Cheers Kelly
Some good info there as ever!
Only reason I asked is it appears to be causing waves over on Autopia. I like the idea of one polish that can (allegedly) do everything. I agree with what you are saying though, and plenty of detailers will continue to use products they know and prefer.
Some good info there as ever!
Only reason I asked is it appears to be causing waves over on Autopia. I like the idea of one polish that can (allegedly) do everything. I agree with what you are saying though, and plenty of detailers will continue to use products they know and prefer.
There are a few One Step polishes about, such as Scholl Concepts S17, which I wrote a little about my experiences on here - http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
From within that link, there's a link non-members probably won't be able to see, and this is the result obtainable......
That was all done with S17 on their own wool pad, without needing to use a fine compound to refine further.
From within that link, there's a link non-members probably won't be able to see, and this is the result obtainable......
That was all done with S17 on their own wool pad, without needing to use a fine compound to refine further.
PJ S said:
There are a few One Step polishes about, such as Scholl Concepts S17, which I wrote a little about my experiences on here - http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
From within that link, there's a link non-members probably won't be able to see, and this is the result obtainable......
That was all done with S17 on their own wool pad, without needing to use a fine compound to refine further.
Cheers PJS - that looks very similar to what the HD Uno pics I saw looked like. If that isn't just filling, then it's bloody amazing. From within that link, there's a link non-members probably won't be able to see, and this is the result obtainable......
That was all done with S17 on their own wool pad, without needing to use a fine compound to refine further.
Not doubting Phil's correction, but we have found some fillers to be very resilient - even surviving IPA wipedowns. Tends to be on hot panels where the heat aids the bonding of the fillers to the paint. Toluene or acetone wipedowns are always the ultimate means to check.
Usually a wool pad will usually result in some form of hologramming, so a one step finish like that is very impressive, even if it may not work on all paint finishes. The magic of diminishing abrasives
Usually a wool pad will usually result in some form of hologramming, so a one step finish like that is very impressive, even if it may not work on all paint finishes. The magic of diminishing abrasives
Edited by domster on Thursday 18th February 23:29
Hi Phil ,
we need one of those monthly chats
I am when the right car and i have time going to document all about compounds with of course many pics and maybe videos .
I did do some experiments on the hearse due to the fact it had solid colour (single stage paint) and the results stayed the same as 2 and 3 stage paint systems .
As brief as i can make as i do need photos show this far more clearly .
I have viewed a number of cars over the last 2-3 years with tell tell buffer lines on them from what you would think is incorrect machine of course , these have been left from guys around the refinishing sector and i also include detailers in this .
I have had a few detailers more so in the last year as i have got more known on forums ringing for friendly chat to say hello and praise each others work , but what i had heard is a few detailers saying when they go back to carryout a top up package say 6 months later after the first full machine correction (which they say is perfect and checked using 3 different light sources) the cars paint has SLIGHT buffer trails .
I (and this only my take on it) , think there are two reasons for this .
firstly the products have come on leaps and bounds lately (or so you would think so)with regards to the diminishing abrasives meaning the longer and harder you use the compounds the more refining the compound does and leaves the paint surface perfect and ready for wax (one step polish) secondly i think what has happen is since a very well known highly respected detailer has posted and wrote HUGH how to machine correct with different equipment, which are excellent in so many ways , "that the compound is worked at high speed for along time until the compound breaks down and oils" with a working time of up as much as i think 15 mins at a time (this is what Dom is saying about heat and we mean localised heat) sounds good and when put into practice works well .
But what i found sometime ago is example i can work 3M fast cut plus with a green 3M compounding pad to an almost perfect finish on hard paint (bmw) while removing extremely deep damage (which i could not get my head round how can a very aggressive cut finsh with no marring etc) , only to find me being me that when i then finished the paint just to make sure its perfect with something like 3M extra fine compound or 3M blue top anti holigram machine polish for a longtime, i found marring damage still remaining and even sometime buffer lines .
This is due to the finer cuts are slowly removing the fillers left behind by the agrressive compounds and showing the true correction of the paint unfilled .
This is as i found and all i have tested so far as regards the heavy cut compounds (not so with something like S17 Phil) and some kind of filling action if not on purpose and work much better at filling the longer you work the compound for at higher speeds and pressures and seem to bond stronger and stronger the more working time and heat thats involved .
I tested 5 of the top brand heavy cut products with the most common tech and printed on instructions and what most guys do on detailing world , this was machine correct a square 2 foot patch on a car until 90% correct and break down the compound for as long as possible , then mask each of the squares with masking tape in half and wipe down one half of the square with the strongest solvent i dare use , it was unreal how different one side was from the other (why i am going to do a long term test with pics) .
I then started test panel wipes , Zanio Z6 , Z8 , dodo juice red mist , megs quick detailer , final inspection , some sonus quick detailers , 2 different tar and glue removers , bodyshop solvent panel wipes , megs body solvent , and degreasers .
None of the quick detailers removed the fillers and most actualy added to the filling action making the paint look better , which is what they should be doing .
The SAFER solvent removed some of the fillers and only the really strong solvents removed all of the filling action left from heavy compounds .
The reason why i have seen cars with buffer lines 3-6 months after having a full machine correction is slowly the fillers will wash away and ware down under uv light leaving behind a messy looking paint finish that it the time of correction looked perfect .
Now if the detailers and vehicle refinishers are carryout the machine correction as per instruction for that product and your eye can see a massive improvement with no nasty marring and buffer trails what more are you expected to do .
If it said will fill on a temp basis then thats different .
I am in the lucky postion for many years of working for a unit only so massively helpped me to test product after product in the same conditons and light etc , on the same car over and over again , as well as having a vehicle in my hands for around 5 days plus for a machine correction (this allowed me plenty of time to FULLY correct the paint with at least 3 different compounds working finer and finer) its only lately i have had to cater for the 1-2 day machine correction details some customers require using a ONE step compound its become more clear to me whats going on .
Does this make sense
Gods knows what happen to keeping it brief
Kelly
we need one of those monthly chats
I am when the right car and i have time going to document all about compounds with of course many pics and maybe videos .
I did do some experiments on the hearse due to the fact it had solid colour (single stage paint) and the results stayed the same as 2 and 3 stage paint systems .
As brief as i can make as i do need photos show this far more clearly .
I have viewed a number of cars over the last 2-3 years with tell tell buffer lines on them from what you would think is incorrect machine of course , these have been left from guys around the refinishing sector and i also include detailers in this .
I have had a few detailers more so in the last year as i have got more known on forums ringing for friendly chat to say hello and praise each others work , but what i had heard is a few detailers saying when they go back to carryout a top up package say 6 months later after the first full machine correction (which they say is perfect and checked using 3 different light sources) the cars paint has SLIGHT buffer trails .
I (and this only my take on it) , think there are two reasons for this .
firstly the products have come on leaps and bounds lately (or so you would think so)with regards to the diminishing abrasives meaning the longer and harder you use the compounds the more refining the compound does and leaves the paint surface perfect and ready for wax (one step polish) secondly i think what has happen is since a very well known highly respected detailer has posted and wrote HUGH how to machine correct with different equipment, which are excellent in so many ways , "that the compound is worked at high speed for along time until the compound breaks down and oils" with a working time of up as much as i think 15 mins at a time (this is what Dom is saying about heat and we mean localised heat) sounds good and when put into practice works well .
But what i found sometime ago is example i can work 3M fast cut plus with a green 3M compounding pad to an almost perfect finish on hard paint (bmw) while removing extremely deep damage (which i could not get my head round how can a very aggressive cut finsh with no marring etc) , only to find me being me that when i then finished the paint just to make sure its perfect with something like 3M extra fine compound or 3M blue top anti holigram machine polish for a longtime, i found marring damage still remaining and even sometime buffer lines .
This is due to the finer cuts are slowly removing the fillers left behind by the agrressive compounds and showing the true correction of the paint unfilled .
This is as i found and all i have tested so far as regards the heavy cut compounds (not so with something like S17 Phil
) and some kind of filling action if not on purpose and work much better at filling the longer you work the compound for at higher speeds and pressures and seem to bond stronger and stronger the more working time and heat thats involved . I tested 5 of the top brand heavy cut products with the most common tech and printed on instructions and what most guys do on detailing world , this was machine correct a square 2 foot patch on a car until 90% correct and break down the compound for as long as possible , then mask each of the squares with masking tape in half and wipe down one half of the square with the strongest solvent i dare use , it was unreal how different one side was from the other (why i am going to do a long term test with pics) .
I then started test panel wipes , Zanio Z6 , Z8 , dodo juice red mist , megs quick detailer , final inspection , some sonus quick detailers , 2 different tar and glue removers , bodyshop solvent panel wipes , megs body solvent , and degreasers .
None of the quick detailers removed the fillers and most actualy added to the filling action making the paint look better , which is what they should be doing .
The SAFER solvent removed some of the fillers and only the really strong solvents removed all of the filling action left from heavy compounds .
The reason why i have seen cars with buffer lines 3-6 months after having a full machine correction is slowly the fillers will wash away and ware down under uv light leaving behind a messy looking paint finish that it the time of correction looked perfect .
Now if the detailers and vehicle refinishers are carryout the machine correction as per instruction for that product and your eye can see a massive improvement with no nasty marring and buffer trails what more are you expected to do .
If it said will fill on a temp basis then thats different .
I am in the lucky postion for many years of working for a unit only so massively helpped me to test product after product in the same conditons and light etc , on the same car over and over again , as well as having a vehicle in my hands for around 5 days plus for a machine correction (this allowed me plenty of time to FULLY correct the paint with at least 3 different compounds working finer and finer) its only lately i have had to cater for the 1-2 day machine correction details some customers require using a ONE step compound its become more clear to me whats going on .
Does this make sense
Gods knows what happen to keeping it brief
Kelly
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