Election - would you vote for a 74 year old?
Discussion
Bercow is, as you know, speaker in the house of commons. Because he is speaker - and now 'independent' (but sort of a tory) none of the 3 parties will put up a candidate because of daft 'tradition' reasons.
Not only do i think this is an appalling state of affairs(!) I also think he's a bit of a cock. the sketchy UKIP scumbags are fielding someone but the only other alternative is Patrick Philips. he's a conventional tory, eloquent, seems smart. but he's 74. he's standing for the reason he thinks it's wrong that Bercow isn't opposed. so I almost feel obliged to vote for him as he's more of a tory than bercow....! he is happy to state that he doesn;t agree with the 'human rights act' and that's my main reason for even entertaining the idea of sticking with anything 'tory' anyway - that one act has done more to ruin this country than all the low interest rates and people being t
ts ever will do...
(i just worry about, as with my general concerns of conservatism, that it's more about nimbyism).
So would you vote for a 74 year old independent?
Not only do i think this is an appalling state of affairs(!) I also think he's a bit of a cock. the sketchy UKIP scumbags are fielding someone but the only other alternative is Patrick Philips. he's a conventional tory, eloquent, seems smart. but he's 74. he's standing for the reason he thinks it's wrong that Bercow isn't opposed. so I almost feel obliged to vote for him as he's more of a tory than bercow....! he is happy to state that he doesn;t agree with the 'human rights act' and that's my main reason for even entertaining the idea of sticking with anything 'tory' anyway - that one act has done more to ruin this country than all the low interest rates and people being t
ts ever will do...(i just worry about, as with my general concerns of conservatism, that it's more about nimbyism).
So would you vote for a 74 year old independent?
Yes vote for him, maybe go out campaigning as well, its disgusting that due to 'tradition' your being denied your democratic right. If this 74 year old is a decent honourable person, which he sounds like he is, maybe he will step down after a year and let a full by-election take place as well.
I'm sure I read something in Private Eye about how the local Tory association was looking at de-selecting Bercow as their candidate...
To me it doesn't look certain that he'll either stand unopposed (by at least one of the 3 main parties) or that he'll even be standing as a Tory candidate.
To me it doesn't look certain that he'll either stand unopposed (by at least one of the 3 main parties) or that he'll even be standing as a Tory candidate.
briSk said:
Bercow is, as you know, speaker in the house of commons. Because he is speaker - and now 'independent' (but sort of a tory) none of the 3 parties will put up a candidate because of daft 'tradition' reasons.
Not only do i think this is an appalling state of affairs(!) I also think he's a bit of a cock. the sketchy UKIP scumbags are fielding someone but the only other alternative is Patrick Philips. he's a conventional tory, eloquent, seems smart. but he's 74. he's standing for the reason he thinks it's wrong that Bercow isn't opposed. so I almost feel obliged to vote for him as he's more of a tory than bercow....! he is happy to state that he doesn;t agree with the 'human rights act' and that's my main reason for even entertaining the idea of sticking with anything 'tory' anyway - that one act has done more to ruin this country than all the low interest rates and people being tts ever will do...
(i just worry about, as with my general concerns of conservatism, that it's more about nimbyism).
So would you vote for a 74 year old independent?
Nope, I would vote UKIP.Not only do i think this is an appalling state of affairs(!) I also think he's a bit of a cock. the sketchy UKIP scumbags are fielding someone but the only other alternative is Patrick Philips. he's a conventional tory, eloquent, seems smart. but he's 74. he's standing for the reason he thinks it's wrong that Bercow isn't opposed. so I almost feel obliged to vote for him as he's more of a tory than bercow....! he is happy to state that he doesn;t agree with the 'human rights act' and that's my main reason for even entertaining the idea of sticking with anything 'tory' anyway - that one act has done more to ruin this country than all the low interest rates and people being t
ts ever will do...(i just worry about, as with my general concerns of conservatism, that it's more about nimbyism).
So would you vote for a 74 year old independent?
Bercow once he became the Speaker ceased to be associated with his former party so he's no longer a Tory and convention says the major political parties will not stand against him in elections.
But Labour broke this tradition in the 87 election so there is no reason why it cant happen again. The SNP also stood against Martin last time round.
Sadly, I doubt the Tories will have the balls to put up a candidate here though and voting for Philips here will just split the anti-Bercow vote and makes sure he definitely gets back in.
Not sure what chance Farage has here either?
Would have preferred to see a strong independent like Martin Bell stand instead - at least he would have had a winning chance.
But Labour broke this tradition in the 87 election so there is no reason why it cant happen again. The SNP also stood against Martin last time round.
Sadly, I doubt the Tories will have the balls to put up a candidate here though and voting for Philips here will just split the anti-Bercow vote and makes sure he definitely gets back in.
Not sure what chance Farage has here either?
Would have preferred to see a strong independent like Martin Bell stand instead - at least he would have had a winning chance.
5unny said:
Not sure what chance Farage has here either?
a worryingly (to me) hi one.the irony being that UKIP are clearly known for their shenanigans so it's replacing a sprout apple with a cabbage.
at least philips has a chance of being a roast potato (is my current take).
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i can't stand martin bell nor esther rantzen but i agree with the sentiment.
unrepentant said:
Bill Carr said:
I'm sure I read something in Private Eye about how the local Tory association was looking at de-selecting Bercow as their candidate...
They can't. He's not their candidate. briSk said:
5unny said:
Not sure what chance Farage has here either?
a worryingly (to me) hi one.the irony being that UKIP are clearly known for their shenanigans so it's replacing a sprout apple with a cabbage.
at least philips has a chance of being a roast potato (is my current take).
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i can't stand martin bell nor esther rantzen but i agree with the sentiment.
s2art said:
Just as a matter of interest, in what way are UKIP significantly worse than any number of other minority parties? (or the big ones for that matter)
- There certainly seems to be a greater proportion of their representatives with some form of criminal involvement.
- I object to their Mail style of campaigning. they seem to be negative rather than positive about almost everything. But frankly the tome is always 'BNP in a suit' and whilst i can't stand the gypos as much as the next man (
) that's just not good enough.
- I agree, in a tory sense about being euro sceptic but like most tories i see trade benefits. i.e. EEC not EU.
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