Ferrari do not seem to like some of the new teams
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What a bunch of whinging old women. If Ferrari are so concerned about getting more people into F1 why don't they go to the FIA to ask for a change in the rules to run a 3 or 4 car team, or sell (near complete) cars to customer teams? Surely it's not that hard. Afterall it used to be like that many many many moons ago.
Snoggledog said:
What a bunch of whinging old women. If Ferrari are so concerned about getting more people into F1 why don't they go to the FIA to ask for a change in the rules to run a 3 or 4 car team, or sell (near complete) cars to customer teams? Surely it's not that hard. Afterall it used to be like that many many many moons ago.
They did ask about 3 car teams, but the FIA said no. Customer cars have been effectively outlawed now, but what's to stop them from building a couple more F10s, respraying them and saying they're Maseratis or Alfas? This is Ferrari after all...dpbird90 said:
Snoggledog said:
What a bunch of whinging old women. If Ferrari are so concerned about getting more people into F1 why don't they go to the FIA to ask for a change in the rules to run a 3 or 4 car team, or sell (near complete) cars to customer teams? Surely it's not that hard. Afterall it used to be like that many many many moons ago.
They did ask about 3 car teams, but the FIA said no. Customer cars have been effectively outlawed now, but what's to stop them from building a couple more F10s, respraying them and saying they're Maseratis or Alfas? This is Ferrari after all...
k up. What will it take for them to have a season without complaining that they, Ferrari of all teams, are getting a raw deal?dpbird90 said:
Snoggledog said:
What a bunch of whinging old women. If Ferrari are so concerned about getting more people into F1 why don't they go to the FIA to ask for a change in the rules to run a 3 or 4 car team, or sell (near complete) cars to customer teams? Surely it's not that hard. Afterall it used to be like that many many many moons ago.
They did ask about 3 car teams, but the FIA said no. Customer cars have been effectively outlawed now, but what's to stop them from building a couple more F10s, respraying them and saying they're Maseratis or Alfas? This is Ferrari after all...
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Neat idea.TBH though both the FIA & FOTA were pushing for new teams. Both of them should really look at being more flexible about things. USF1 & Campos could have been on the grid at the start of the season if they'd been able to buy cars from the mainstream manufacturers. Look at how well customer teams have done in the past. The Thinwall Special springs to mind as an example.
Mazda Baiter said:
What will it take for them to have a season without complaining that they, Ferrari of all teams, are getting a raw deal?
Are the complaining that they're getting a raw deal? As I read it, they're saying that the sport has been weakened by encouraging privately-run teams that are either poorly funded, poorly prepared, or both, or just plain not viable to take part, at the expense of manufacturer teams.I think they make a fair point, although we'll really need to see how the season pans out before we know for certain.
Mazda Baiter said:
Maybe they should just buy the Campos entry, do this and shut the fk up. What will it take for them to have a season without complaining that they, Ferrari of all teams, are getting a raw deal?
sorry, I may have missed the piece in the article where they said they're getting a raw deal k up. What will it take for them to have a season without complaining that they, Ferrari of all teams, are getting a raw deal?
I've got to say I see their point and agree with them. The last thing a sport purporting to be the pinnacle needs is cowboy outfits.
Many might feel that BMW, Toyota et al were chased from the sport in some ways. Certainly Honda should have been encouraged in some way to stay. The anti-manufacturer policy not only meant that those in the sport had no reason to stay but that others would not want to join. And the way the scandals were handled gae too much ammunition to those wanting to object.
And what benefit does Merc get for beating Renault and some pathetic little tinpot organisations?
Many might feel that BMW, Toyota et al were chased from the sport in some ways. Certainly Honda should have been encouraged in some way to stay. The anti-manufacturer policy not only meant that those in the sport had no reason to stay but that others would not want to join. And the way the scandals were handled gae too much ammunition to those wanting to object.
And what benefit does Merc get for beating Renault and some pathetic little tinpot organisations?
What they have said sounds true to me, and doesn't read as if they feel the they are getting a raw deal as an individual entity, but that F1 overall is getting a tarnished reputation. It reads to me as a dig against Mosley more than anything else, criticising his desire to impose on the foundations of F1 something unattainable and insubstantial. Ferrari were critical at the time, proposing a potentially more viable alternative (three car teams) which was rejected. Their criticisms have been proven to be true so they are reminding the departed man that he screwed up - they can, and well done for doing so.
I can see there point with regards to the "F1 brand" but i think they should watch what they are saying with the regards to the quality of the new teams after the dog of a car they produced last year with all there funding and experties. I am looking forward to seeing how much slower these smaller funded teams are to the Mclarens and Ferraris.
And what did Toyota actually do after ploughing millions into there F1 team? I will get more excited about Lotus being back that i ever could watching Toyota or Torro Rossa.
And what did Toyota actually do after ploughing millions into there F1 team? I will get more excited about Lotus being back that i ever could watching Toyota or Torro Rossa.
Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Tuesday 23 February 14:05
Wanta996Gotta said:
I can see there point with regards to the "F1 brand" but i think they should wacth what they are saying with the regards to the quality of the new teams after the dog of a car they produced last year with all there funding and experties.
I think they point they are trying to make is it's not to do with the cars but more the fact that 2 new teams can't field entries for the entire series, with the same situation for the 3rd if either of the former drop out due to funding issuessleep envy said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
I can see there point with regards to the "F1 brand" but i think they should wacth what they are saying with the regards to the quality of the new teams after the dog of a car they produced last year with all there funding and experties.
I think they point they are trying to make is it's not to do with the cars but more the fact that 2 new teams can't field entries for the entire series, with the same situation for the 3rd if either of the former drop out due to funding issuesWe couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Of course, i agree with you to an extent but bare in mind that teams with countless amounts of £'s disappeared and the brand would have looked even worse with the eight remaining teams on the starting grid. If only 2 out of the 4 new teams make it then so be it.
We couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
weren't there other teams willing to make entries?We couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
sleep envy said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Of course, i agree with you to an extent but bare in mind that teams with countless amounts of £'s disappeared and the brand would have looked even worse with the eight remaining teams on the starting grid. If only 2 out of the 4 new teams make it then so be it.
We couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
weren't there other teams willing to make entries?We couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
McLaren were very keen on the idea of building customer cars IIRC for Prodrive
The big problem with the new teams as I see it, is that if the teams are struggling to simply get on the grid, there is a big chance that the cars wont be competitive and will simply detract from what should be a great season and an even bigger chance that if they do underperform, sponsors will drop out resulting in teams withdrawing part way through the year.
This is nothing new for Ferrari, with the old man himself calling some of the lesser teams Garageists
Ferrari being self-important and self-serving again? Now there's a surprise.
I'd be amazed if Monty doesn't have a long memory or knows his history - last time there was a significant influx of kitcars and privateers, they were thoroughly kicked off the best-team pedestal in pretty quick time (refers to 60's onwards )... It took them a long time to get it back, and not without significant help from Niki Lauda too. They may never even have done without his input.
They're just scared and maximising their influence while they can. Gamesmanship. So what's new?
I'd be amazed if Monty doesn't have a long memory or knows his history - last time there was a significant influx of kitcars and privateers, they were thoroughly kicked off the best-team pedestal in pretty quick time (refers to 60's onwards )... It took them a long time to get it back, and not without significant help from Niki Lauda too. They may never even have done without his input.
They're just scared and maximising their influence while they can. Gamesmanship. So what's new?
sleep envy said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Of course, i agree with you to an extent but bare in mind that teams with countless amounts of £'s disappeared and the brand would have looked even worse with the eight remaining teams on the starting grid. If only 2 out of the 4 new teams make it then so be it.
We couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
weren't there other teams willing to make entries?We couldnt expect the FIA to prop up the likes of BMW,Honda and Toyota. This is the way ahead wither Ferrari like it or not.
This Stefan GP lot from Serbia that have appeared out of the blue using Toyotas have been stopped in there tracks from any testing due to a tyre supply issue??? I agree that the USF1 team sounded like a long shot but i can totally understand why having a North American team looked like a good idea especially for the sponsors.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Like who and what makes anyone think that they would have done a better job?
well when manufacturers step down, especially in the current climate, it does beg the question if due dilligence was carried out on the new teamsI'm not too sure we'll ever see the days of teams fighting out pre-qualification ever again, sadly
If none of the competition is up to the challenge then they can take the adulation of being constructors champions and having another WDC then!?
I can perfectly understand their beef with that 'bent' dictator previously running the FIA - but you'd have thought they'd be sitting pretty now with their 'man on the inside' now running the show.
I personally think they'd be better off concentrating on their own game and making it a spectacle instead of resorting to press tittle tattle over something thats already done (now matter how many valid points they make).
Or
They could put their money where their mouth is and kick in F1 and start off a new series for 'worthy' competitors?
I can perfectly understand their beef with that 'bent' dictator previously running the FIA - but you'd have thought they'd be sitting pretty now with their 'man on the inside' now running the show.
I personally think they'd be better off concentrating on their own game and making it a spectacle instead of resorting to press tittle tattle over something thats already done (now matter how many valid points they make).
Or
They could put their money where their mouth is and kick in F1 and start off a new series for 'worthy' competitors?
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