Do mobile speed traps have to have a warning sign?

[ADL]

As above, bloke at work flashed twice by a camera setup on the roadside. Yellow box on tripod on side road next to exit from Embankment underpass.
Do they need to display a warning camera sign or not? There aren't lines painted on the deck so how do they work out the speed?
Cheers.

[lunarscope]

The "rules" are merely the ACPO guidelines.
The law doesn't require warning signs or any other operating requirements other than that required by the Home Office type approval for the equipment in question.
If it was a "Gatso" type camera then the fact that there were no lines painted will not deter the Scammers from sending a ticket as they don't bother doing the required distance measurement.
Supposedly, if the "rules" are not followed then the Scamera Partnership can't paeticipate in the "netting off" (hypothecation) scheme. This means that they can't keep the money raised from tickets.
However, in the real world ...

>> Edited by lunarscope on Friday 13th February 13:07

[echo]

if an officer is present they dont need lines on the deck - his witness is the coroboration of the radar/laser

no signing is required for mobile traps

[db1]

Given that the Minister for Road Safety has challenged people to show where cameras are sited which are not supposed to be, then you have to look at the 'rules' for use.

If there are no camera signs, then the 'rules' have been broken, and as said above they shouldn't get the money.

Is that the money from just those tickets or all the tickets?

As well as that, has anyone questioned whether a camera can be used at all. The 'rules' say It can only be used if all the criteria have been met.

So, if you know where the 'rules' have been broken, why not write to the Minister - after all- he is asking the partnerships if they are obeying the rules - if you were them, what would you say?

[lunarscope]

Unfortunately, whatever the "Minister for Road Safety" says does not affect the validity of the current law.

[big err]

Only if a speed detection site is part of a safety camera partnership project (ie where revenue raised goes back into community safety projects) does it require signs.

Many mobile camera vans carry the prescribe sign on the vehicle (painted onto the side). By the time you see the sign on the van, your speed would have been recorded. Dastardly eh!