Optimax

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R1_JON

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858 posts

243 months

Friday 13th February 2004
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What are peoples views on Optimax fuel? A couple of mates are telling me it makes a hell of a difference and I should always use optimax. Just wondered what the Porsche community think...?

dazren

22,612 posts

261 months

Friday 13th February 2004
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My manual says my car is designed to run on 98RON octane fuel. In the UK Unleaded is normally 95 RON and Super Unleaded is normally 97 RON. Optimax being 98.4 RON (or is it 98.6) is the only fuel normally available in the UK that meets the recommended rating.

DAZ
(13k miles with only 2 lots of 97 RON fuel ever used)

Spie

122 posts

253 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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I use it all the time. It's the best fuel you can buy.

warmfuzzies

3,984 posts

253 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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I contacted all teh petrol distributers/re-sellers to see which petrol was the "best" because it's not quite as simple as a RON rating. Long story but MON has a bearing on the quality of the fuel, RON is for the combustability of the fuel in a predefined situation.
RON+MON/2 = the octane rating overall. Optimax comes out out 92.6 all of the others according to BP Esso etc all come out at 91.6 or less.

Kevin.

sb-1

3,315 posts

263 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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I have used Optimax,BP Ultimate and premium UL (95ron).Very little difference on the road in my view....you pay your money etc.....Track days makes sense to use Optimax.

Steve

getcarter

29,384 posts

279 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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As Daz says... the car wants 98+ ron.. so that's what it gets

Steve

JohnP68

425 posts

282 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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I always try to fill up with Optimax, and the Boxster doesn't feel quite the same when I'm forced to put in normal super unleaded.

neon_fox

342 posts

284 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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Don't know whether it's purely placebo effect or what, but the car definately seems happier on Optimax than on regular unleaded.

FWIW I haven't tried any of the other forms of 'premium' unleaded...

Fox
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964C2

adamt

2,820 posts

252 months

Saturday 14th February 2004
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Optimax is excellent, and i have heard that shell have actually intorduced in germany a new petrol even "higer" than optimax, fingers crossed we will see it

all the best
adam

steve-p

1,448 posts

282 months

Monday 16th February 2004
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I must say I always use Optimax, but on the odd occasion (twice a year maybe) that the tank is dry before I get to a Shell station, I use regular unleaded. And to be honest, the difference is not detectable. Perhaps it would be on a rolling road or a timed lap, but not on the road.

GregE240

10,857 posts

267 months

Monday 16th February 2004
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Emma has always found her Boxster returns better mpg and better performance with a tank of Optimax. We've proved this over many tanks of either premium U/L or Optimax.

Worth the extra pennies.

Don

28,377 posts

284 months

Monday 16th February 2004
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We never use anything except Optimax in our sports cars. The Vectra will probably get Optimax in the future because I tend to simply grab the Optimax pump out of sheer habit by now...

TKD

85 posts

244 months

Tuesday 17th February 2004
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In Germany they have Optimax V-Power which is 100ron.
BP's Ultimate is also 100ron in some countries (Greece for instance), we won't see either over here for tax reasons.

leosayer

7,307 posts

244 months

Tuesday 17th February 2004
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I think it depends if the engine is designed for it. I tried a tank of optimax in my 964 and it felt a bit 'strangled' hard to describe really.

Tried it in my 1.8 Audi and there was no noticeable difference.

TKD

85 posts

244 months

Tuesday 17th February 2004
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It's all to do with what the ecu is programmed for. Jap cars for instance are set for 100ron fuel. 'Regular' unleaded in Japan is 100ron, their 'super' is 102ron. Try and bring a Jap car over and run it on 95ron and it won't take long to blow it up. Most Jap imports are re-mapped or run on optimax.
There is a tolerance within what the ecu will let the car run on, a couple of ron at most. I run my Imported Impreza on Optimax only (98.6ron). The ecu would not be able to retard the ignition enough to cope with 95ron.

The higher the ron, the greater the explosion, the faster you go; albeit not very noticeable. Rally cars run on 107ron
Higher ron is also more efficient, so you'll get more mpg.

In the US for instance, although cheap, their fuel is utter crap! It varies, but it's not unusual to find 86ron. I think super is 90-92!

A BMW M3 over here is 343bhp, in the US it's 333bhp. The only difference is the ecu in how it is programmed to take their crappy fuel.

By the way, I don't work for Shell! But Optimax is the best fuel you can get over here by far.

warmfuzzies

3,984 posts

253 months

Tuesday 17th February 2004
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It's not just a question of RON, MON plays a part, probably more important part after all it defines the quality of the fuel, not just the combustability of it in a given circumstance..
Without wishing to appear pedantic research into this will show I'm on the ball, Optimax is the one to use for all round RON/MON ratings.

Kevin.

sprior

96 posts

244 months

Tuesday 17th February 2004
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I've tried to run some sort of fuel efficiency comparison over the last month.
regular (which is bizarely called premium here) gives about 29mpg, optimax about 27. This could of course be different driving style, but it was over a month period.

My guess is that for lower RON, the ignition timing is advanced so that the spark happens early before TDC, to stop pinking. (though could be wrong)
If this is true, then surely the bang is fighting against the piston more than with the spark closer to TDC.
Does this have any effect on mileage? (or is it cobblers?)

A couple of months ago, Autocar did make promise on the website to run a back to back objective feature of different fuels. Still waiting though.

bluesatin

3,114 posts

272 months

Tuesday 17th February 2004
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I have found this on the Millers oil web site useful.

www.millersoils.net/index2.html

UK952

763 posts

259 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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sprior said:

My guess is that for lower RON, the ignition timing is advanced so that the spark happens early before TDC, to stop pinking. (though could be wrong)


I think thats backwards, usually higher octane rating allows you to run more advance without getting pinking, as I general rule the more advance you run the more power you develop up to the point where the engine starts pinking and destroys itself.

some more info here www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene.html
plus a way to boost octane.

Tony

sprior

96 posts

244 months

Wednesday 18th February 2004
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Yep, I'm in the position of being 'couldn't be more wrong if I tried'.

What confused me was that I always assumed knocking, (or pinging/pinking/pre-ignition) was the mixture igniting early (like diesel?) due to high compression, so sparking early would stop it. But clearly, sparking later prevents it for lower combustability fuel.

Can someone explain what pre-ignition is, and why it makes a knocking noise please?