Gordon Brown on course to win election (Times article)
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Reading this story from the times - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art... I was reading the comments when I read this
Arthur Stephenson wrote:
Looks like Golden Gordon is going to pull it off and we are finally going to get a proper Socialist society - one where the haves properly support the have-nots with decent levels of benefits instead of the current paupers' allowances
Anyone earning over £25k needs to be properly taxed to equalise wealth with those who have less.
No-one who doesn't want to work should have to, and should be properly subsidised
Let's move foward to a fairy society
AS
Now is this guy a joke or does he really believe his view is correct? If you do not want to work you do not have too and someone should subsidise them/him?
fecking delusional if you ask me.
sorry for the lines damn quotes did not work.
Arthur Stephenson wrote:
Looks like Golden Gordon is going to pull it off and we are finally going to get a proper Socialist society - one where the haves properly support the have-nots with decent levels of benefits instead of the current paupers' allowances
Anyone earning over £25k needs to be properly taxed to equalise wealth with those who have less.
No-one who doesn't want to work should have to, and should be properly subsidised
Let's move foward to a fairy society
AS
Now is this guy a joke or does he really believe his view is correct? If you do not want to work you do not have too and someone should subsidise them/him?
fecking delusional if you ask me.
sorry for the lines damn quotes did not work.
Edited by Allanv on Sunday 28th February 20:38
That has to be a joke to illustrate the vapidity of Brown's socialists: even the Soviet Union never thought those unwilling to work should be subsidised.
The irony is that we already have this situation with over 1m people being subsidised who have no intention of ever working. To make it even worse, we have people complaining about immigration when we need immigrants to do the work that the indigenous workshy scum won't do.
The irony is that we already have this situation with over 1m people being subsidised who have no intention of ever working. To make it even worse, we have people complaining about immigration when we need immigrants to do the work that the indigenous workshy scum won't do.
Puggit said:
Sorry for the repost, I was just highlighting the quote but should have checked first. Sorry.Zod said:
That has to be a joke to illustrate the vapidity of Brown's socialists: even the Soviet Union never thought those unwilling to work should be subsidised.
The irony is that we already have this situation with over 1m people being subsidised who have no intention of ever working. To make it even worse, we have people complaining about immigration when we need immigrants to do the work that the indigenous workshy scum won't do.
I saw that programme your thinking of and it made my piss boil, I work in IT Infrastructure yet the sector is quiet at the moment but I got off my ass and worked on a farm for a week or so pulling down fences to make some money / well more self dignity than anything as the pay was sThe irony is that we already have this situation with over 1m people being subsidised who have no intention of ever working. To make it even worse, we have people complaining about immigration when we need immigrants to do the work that the indigenous workshy scum won't do.
te.It was -8c with a wind chill of fecking cold but when I got home I knew I had done a hard days graft.
Those wasters on that programme need a good kick up the arse.
I suspect a few carefully placed polls, a few doubtful threads and a little surrepticious propaganda can do a lot of damage. Keeping the faith is the important thing, voting with your convictions, voting to begin with!
I am betting (and hoping) for change in the form of a landslide Tory victory. The country needs it badly.
I am betting (and hoping) for change in the form of a landslide Tory victory. The country needs it badly.
Allanv said:
Reading this story from the times - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art... I was reading the comments when I read this
Looks like Golden Gordon is going to pull it off and we are finally going to get a proper Socialist society - one where the haves properly support the have-nots with decent levels of benefits instead of the current paupers' allowances
Anyone earning over £25k needs to be properly taxed to equalise wealth with those who have less.
No-one who doesn't want to work should have to, and should be properly subsidised
Let's move foward to a fairy society
ASNow is this guy a joke or does he really believe his view is correct? If you do not want to work you do not have too and someone should subsidise them/him?
fecking delusional if you ask me.
sorry for the lines damn quotes did not work.
Oh, come on. It's transparently obvious that the quoted comment is sarcasm writ large.Arthur Stephenson said:
Looks like Golden Gordon is going to pull it off and we are finally going to get a proper Socialist society - one where the haves properly support the have-nots with decent levels of benefits instead of the current paupers' allowances
Anyone earning over £25k needs to be properly taxed to equalise wealth with those who have less.
No-one who doesn't want to work should have to, and should be properly subsidised
Let's move foward to a fairy society
AS
fecking delusional if you ask me.
sorry for the lines damn quotes did not work.
This does worry me. There are just so many morons in this country who will vote Red because a) they're on the Civil Service gravy train b) On the Rock and Roll/Benefits for life gravy train or c) Have sucked up and believed the propaganda that all the problems are the fault of maggie ergo the current Tory party.
Please please sort yourselves out at Central Office and destroy these champagne Socialists forever.
Please please sort yourselves out at Central Office and destroy these champagne Socialists forever.
I think it will be close. Speaking to many who are on lower incomes are easily hoodwinked, Thatcher is still blamed for everything they can, the bankers are resposible for everything else. It is so sad that they cannot see the truth but even the bullying that is alleged, is seen by them as a tough leader. Even when you list everything to them that labour has done they still don't get it.
A theory I've heard is that the Tories don't actually want to win what will be a poisoned chalice.
If they were to get in, they would be associated with some of the most severe cuts for a generation. That would make them unelectable for the next term, and we'd be back where we started from after they'd sorted out the financial mess, with Labour trading on a secure(ish) platform given to them by the Tories.
This theory continues, that the Tories will campaign just enough so as not to lose face, but not so much that they will actually win. Labour will continue with a further disasterous term in which they will either have to make the same magnitude of cuts, or be seen to not be serving the needs of the country. They will then suffer the same fate as the Tories would have if they had got in: of becoming un-reelectable(sp?).
The consequence of this is - things will be allowed to get worse before they get better. And the getting better will be a slow process over twenty years.
If they were to get in, they would be associated with some of the most severe cuts for a generation. That would make them unelectable for the next term, and we'd be back where we started from after they'd sorted out the financial mess, with Labour trading on a secure(ish) platform given to them by the Tories.
This theory continues, that the Tories will campaign just enough so as not to lose face, but not so much that they will actually win. Labour will continue with a further disasterous term in which they will either have to make the same magnitude of cuts, or be seen to not be serving the needs of the country. They will then suffer the same fate as the Tories would have if they had got in: of becoming un-reelectable(sp?).
The consequence of this is - things will be allowed to get worse before they get better. And the getting better will be a slow process over twenty years.
dxg said:
A theory I've heard is that the Tories don't actually want to win what will be a poisoned chalice.
If they were to get in, they would be associated with some of the most severe cuts for a generation. That would make them unelectable for the next term, and we'd be back where we started from after they'd sorted out the financial mess, with Labour trading on a secure(ish) platform given to them by the Tories.
This theory continues, that the Tories will campaign just enough so as not to lose face, but not so much that they will actually win. Labour will continue with a further disasterous term in which they will either have to make the same magnitude of cuts, or be seen to not be serving the needs of the country. They will then suffer the same fate as the Tories would have if they had got in: of becoming un-reelectable(sp?).
The consequence of this is - things will be allowed to get worse before they get better. And the getting better will be a slow process over twenty years.
It's certainly a theory that I ascribe to - hand back power to Winky, watch the country implode, lose it's triple A rating and watch the economic miracle shrivel and die once and for all. Hague destroys Goredoom over the Dispatches box as conservative leader post CMD, and leads the party to victory in 2012 after the kilted sIf they were to get in, they would be associated with some of the most severe cuts for a generation. That would make them unelectable for the next term, and we'd be back where we started from after they'd sorted out the financial mess, with Labour trading on a secure(ish) platform given to them by the Tories.
This theory continues, that the Tories will campaign just enough so as not to lose face, but not so much that they will actually win. Labour will continue with a further disasterous term in which they will either have to make the same magnitude of cuts, or be seen to not be serving the needs of the country. They will then suffer the same fate as the Tories would have if they had got in: of becoming un-reelectable(sp?).
The consequence of this is - things will be allowed to get worse before they get better. And the getting better will be a slow process over twenty years.
twit puts a 9mm through his noggin.Labour win? Now I know Boris Johnson is not going to go all negative on the election result but is there any foundation to his artical in todays Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/bori...
I know nothing about betting but BJ seems to imply this is more reliable than current polls.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/bori...
I know nothing about betting but BJ seems to imply this is more reliable than current polls.
theironduke said:
This does worry me. There are just so many morons in this country who will vote Red because a) they're on the Civil Service gravy train b) On the Rock and Roll/Benefits for life gravy train or c) Have sucked up and believed the propaganda that all the problems are the fault of maggie ergo the current Tory party.
Please please sort yourselves out at Central Office and destroy these champagne Socialists forever.
worries me too....i feel physically sick and fearful of the prospect....i dont want to be paying tax so that people can live on benefits anymore and i dont want the value of my savings eroded by this governments recklessness....starting to think i may need to emigrate from the country i love and come back when theres a change of government....Please please sort yourselves out at Central Office and destroy these champagne Socialists forever.
TankRizzo said:
How many people do they question for these polls? I was under the impression that the only polls which really mattered were exit polls, which of course are a little too late to make any difference.
I wonder if it's the same place/group of people from which they find the Question Time audience...Mclovin said:
theironduke said:
This does worry me. There are just so many morons in this country who will vote Red because a) they're on the Civil Service gravy train b) On the Rock and Roll/Benefits for life gravy train or c) Have sucked up and believed the propaganda that all the problems are the fault of maggie ergo the current Tory party.
Please please sort yourselves out at Central Office and destroy these champagne Socialists forever.
worries me too....i feel physically sick and fearful of the prospect....i dont want to be paying tax so that people can live on benefits anymore and i dont want the value of my savings eroded by this governments recklessness....starting to think i may need to emigrate from the country i love and come back when theres a change of government....Please please sort yourselves out at Central Office and destroy these champagne Socialists forever.
, wathching people living apart because it "pays" them too. Why the fk do i run a business here i sometimes wonder 
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