Funny 'misfire' - thoughts?
Funny 'misfire' - thoughts?
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Duke Thrust

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1,680 posts

268 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Hello chaps,

Got a funny 'misfire' problem that's starting to annoy me now...

When you swiftly press the accelerator the rev's pick up and then the engine does an almighty 'stutter' and then carries on as normal. If you press the throttle more slowly it behaves perfectly normally with no 'stutter' and carries on to the red-line.

When on Mike's rollers we thought it might be the waste gate sticking on the front turbo, this has been stripped, re-built and it working normally, yet the problem persists.

I've done the fuel pump mod, again, made no difference. Next on my list is to replace the hose from the tank to the pump as from reading other posts this could be the culprit.

But, before I do drain the tank etc, are there any other thoughts?

GTO400

1,877 posts

280 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Sounds like over-boost and the Ecu cutting the ignition, probably caused by the cold ambient. Look at your boost gauge to check.

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Hi Max , is this in gear under load ? or idleing ??

Jez200

840 posts

224 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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I had a similar problem (not on a Noble though) turned out to be coilpacks that had started to break down. Would cause the engine to 'hesitate' as it came on boost and stutter as well. Replaced with a new set and all was fine.

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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GTO400 said:
Sounds like over-boost and the Ecu cutting the ignition, probably caused by the cold ambient. Look at your boost gauge to check.


There is no overboost cut. Have you checked the spark plug gaps, what boost are you running ?
If gaps are ok then coipacks could be the problem, borrow a good one and try it in all six positions !

Duke Thrust

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1,680 posts

268 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Hi chaps, it's only under full throttle, heavy load - when you really give it a bootfull. After the stutter it just powers on. It's like a rubbish traction control system really.


TuxMan

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267 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Hi Max, i,d start with plugs ,fit a new set with 36thou gap ,i can get some trade if you need a set .....non platinum ones are about a tenner !! its a cheap option to start with !!

Duke Thrust

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1,680 posts

268 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Hmmm, plug gaps could well make sense - the sudden extra boost could be blowing them out.

Thanks for your offer Simon, I'll take a look and re-gap the existing, if no better then I'll take you up on it.

Edited to add, what plugs should it be running?

Edited by Duke Thrust on Monday 8th March 15:54

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Yellowshed gave me the no of the plugs he recommends but i cannot remmember ....will have alook later .

funkybmx1

958 posts

223 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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his company sells the pkugs i remember him saying to me if any help that is

funkybmx1

958 posts

223 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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i think ngk7's. machined as a tampered bottom. i could be wrong. think thats what he said. i had ngk6 was mis firing really bad on them until i got some from yellowshed hope helps

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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plug details ....NGK-R BR7EFS .

RobP

2,097 posts

270 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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...and leave them gapped as they come; about 25thou.

RobP

2,097 posts

270 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Duke Thrust said:
I've done the fuel pump mod, again, made no difference. Next on my list is to replace the hose from the tank to the pump as from reading other posts this could be the culprit.

But, before I do drain the tank etc, are there any other thoughts?
If it's the fuel hose from tank to pump you will find that it only causes problems when the engine bay is heat soaked (and the hose gets a bit 'floppy'). If your engine stuttering problem occurs when the engine bay is cold then it's more likely to be plugs/gaps etc etc.

Duke Thrust

Original Poster:

1,680 posts

268 months

Tuesday 9th March 2010
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Thanks chaps, will try the plugs and let you know.


Duke Thrust

Original Poster:

1,680 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th March 2010
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Success!

Re gapping the plugs worked perfectly! I feel like such an idiot for not thinking of them, gap was far too large, blimmin dealer (that I bought the car from)…

Joy unbounded!!

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Wednesday 10th March 2010
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well done mate ,just goes to show you are better off doing it yourself !!!

Duke Thrust

Original Poster:

1,680 posts

268 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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Yep, it was no wonder they were getting blown out, they were set to 60 thou - eeeek!

I've got a new set of plugs on order so will fit them, that way I'm 100% certain it's got the right plugs at the right gap.

It's a bit irritating really as ages ago I did (very) briefly wonder about the plugs and remembered that the dealer that I bought the car from had given it a full service. Naturally I'd assumed they'd check something like what to gap the plugs to, they specialised in Italian exotica so I'd hope they weren't complete numptys.

Still, my own fault for not checking earlier, feel very sheepish.

Edited to add:
I undid the 8 bolts that fix the plenum in place and gently propped it up to gain access to the rear 3 spark plugs. Nothing needed to be unplugged from the plenum, enough room without anything being under tension. Is there a recommended way or is this the norm?

Edited by Duke Thrust on Thursday 11th March 09:36

caccobra

340 posts

265 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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That's the norm. Congrats on sorting it.

Bittercars

276 posts

218 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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I'm going to check mine this weekend but I'm confused about what the correct gap is now.
There are two suggestions in this thread - 36thou and 25thou.
And on the wiki it says 40thou

Which is right?

Edited by Bittercars on Friday 12th March 12:44