Are the tories going to have to do it all again???
Discussion
Labour left the country in the s
t the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!
At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up st creek without a paddle again?
t the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up s
t creek without a paddle again?As a lifelong Conservative voter, if the Tories don't get their fingers out pronto then I will seriously consider voting Liberal or something like UKIP. They've had several terms in the waiting and they still can't do spin properly, despite all the gifthorses from Labour. I hope Cameron has something nuclear up his sleeve for use once the election is called.
Targarama said:
I hope Cameron has something nuclear up his sleeve for use once the election is called.
God I hope you're right. I can't help thinking that previous incarnations of the Conservatives would have annihilated the incumbents over the last few months. There's no shortage of material that could be used against them and yet all we read/hear is about Ashcroft which is of little consequence to those outside the Westminster village.Engineer1 said:
Maybe the Torys don't want to be the next government as it could be a poison chalice.
Quite possibly however if they don't win Cameron will have to step down. Perhaps all part of a bigger plan to let Hague have another crack.Another 4 or 5 years and the country will be on it's knees begging for the medicine. Things aren't quite bad enough yet I fear.
Part of me would enjoy watching Gordon et all finish the job they started and be remembered for they have done.
Worst case senario is the Tory's scrape by and get in and then have to do all the unpleasent things required and then get booted next time for the privilege.
Part of me just does not know how.
When I look around, it feels like the current state of affairs is institutionalised and irreversible.
For example, the obsession with control, measuring everything, targets, ticks in the box.
My wife is on the brink of chucking in her career as primary teacher. She loves teaching, but that is not what she does.
For 33 children she has to ask each one about their thought process when they are doing some work then highlight two different assessment sheets. This then has to be compared to benchmarks and logged on a system.
She has to set targets for 6 different levels of children in the class. If they are not meeting them she has to fill our forms to explain why. If they are meeting them she is told to increase the target and workload (often to levels that she has never actually taught)
Sorry for the rant.
But she is basically a machine that takes surveys for the Government to tell them if their mantra of 'Education x 3' is bullst or not.
But this will never change. This is the age where a Government makes promises to obtain power and becomes paranoid about the fact they know it is all lies. They don't give a st about the kids (
).
Nothing will change.
That is why, when I can, I am going to say goodbye UK.
Edited for bad spelling.
When I look around, it feels like the current state of affairs is institutionalised and irreversible.
For example, the obsession with control, measuring everything, targets, ticks in the box.
My wife is on the brink of chucking in her career as primary teacher. She loves teaching, but that is not what she does.
For 33 children she has to ask each one about their thought process when they are doing some work then highlight two different assessment sheets. This then has to be compared to benchmarks and logged on a system.
She has to set targets for 6 different levels of children in the class. If they are not meeting them she has to fill our forms to explain why. If they are meeting them she is told to increase the target and workload (often to levels that she has never actually taught)
Sorry for the rant.
But she is basically a machine that takes surveys for the Government to tell them if their mantra of 'Education x 3' is bulls
t or not.But this will never change. This is the age where a Government makes promises to obtain power and becomes paranoid about the fact they know it is all lies. They don't give a s
t about the kids (). Nothing will change.
That is why, when I can, I am going to say goodbye UK.
Edited for bad spelling.
Edited by Legend83 on Monday 8th March 17:43
Dupont666 said:
Labour left the country in the st the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!
At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up st creek without a paddle again?
they weren't that great, you make it sound like they were perfect.t the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up s
t creek without a paddle again?chr15b said:
Dupont666 said:
Labour left the country in the st the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!
At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up st creek without a paddle again?
they weren't that great, you make it sound like they were perfect.t the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up s
t creek without a paddle again?ked everything up... they aint perfect but by good they cant do much worse...Dupont666 said:
Labour left the country in the st the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!
At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up st creek without a paddle again?
I think they left us with a boom-bust economy based purely on debt, with us languishing somewhere behind the Italians or the Spanish, IIRC. When the tories took over last time we had mining and steel and an indigenous car industry. When the tories left it had all gone. The tories 'sorted' the unions by getting rid of the industries, leaving us with finance only, pretty much.t the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up s
t creek without a paddle again?That's not to say the current lot hasn't f
ked us right up too of course, but I don't know about the tories doing it 'again'. They never did it last time, it was all a mirage.It was the tories who got rid of Maggie, it was the tories who lost the election as opposed to labour winning it, and it's been only the tories who have seen them as the oppo party for the last decade or so. Any competent party would have kicked the current lot out long ago.
Hey ho, here's to the future.
heebeegeetee said:
I think they left us with a boom-bust economy based purely on debt, with us languishing somewhere behind the Italians or the Spanish, IIRC. When the tories took over last time we had mining and steel and an indigenous car industry. When the tories left it had all gone. The tories 'sorted' the unions by getting rid of the industries, leaving us with finance only, pretty much.
Nope, debt was very low.s2art said:
heebeegeetee said:
I think they left us with a boom-bust economy based purely on debt, with us languishing somewhere behind the Italians or the Spanish, IIRC. When the tories took over last time we had mining and steel and an indigenous car industry. When the tories left it had all gone. The tories 'sorted' the unions by getting rid of the industries, leaving us with finance only, pretty much.
Nope, debt was very low.It was the tories who said 'there is no such thing as society', it was them who got rid of thrift and shouted 'greed is good' from the treetops. And look where it's got us.
Dupont666 said:
Labour left the country in the st the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!
At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up st creek without a paddle again?
The percentage of unemployed in 1979 was 5.5%; It was 7.8% in 96. t the last time and the tories were left picking up the pieces trying to get the country back on its feet and had to make some tough decisions which many people didnt like... Poll tax being one!!At the end of the time in power they handed Labour a country with low unemployment, not much debt, bringing in more GDP than before and generally sorting it out.
So are they expected to do it all again whilst the Labour party are on the sidelines saying that the lastest taxs that are needed to fix X, Y and Z are outrageous, even though they are needed to bring in money and fix the stuff Labour broke?
Will it all happen again when its fixed and the Tory governement do something that the public dont like (allow bonuses, etc) only for Labour to get their grubby corrupt mits on it again and send it up s
t creek without a paddle again?In 1979 the public debt as percentage of GDP was 44.1%; in 1996 it was 44.58%.
Hardly a great achievement.
heebeegeetee said:
s2art said:
heebeegeetee said:
I think they left us with a boom-bust economy based purely on debt, with us languishing somewhere behind the Italians or the Spanish, IIRC. When the tories took over last time we had mining and steel and an indigenous car industry. When the tories left it had all gone. The tories 'sorted' the unions by getting rid of the industries, leaving us with finance only, pretty much.
Nope, debt was very low.It was the tories who said 'there is no such thing as society', it was them who got rid of thrift and shouted 'greed is good' from the treetops. And look where it's got us.
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