Bob Crow is at it again ffs
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That's Easter travel borked, thanks Bob you utter, utter 
Times said:
Bob Crow, the general secretary of the RMT union, which has balloted thousands of signalmen and maintenance workers for a possible strike, said: “I am not Mystic Meg, but I would not book any rail travel for the Easter period.”
Robin Gisby, Network Rail’s director of operations, said: “I can’t live with the RMT holding the whole country to ransom. The union wants a cast-iron guarantee there will not be any compulsory redundancies. I cannot give that guarantee.”
It's like BA all over again.Robin Gisby, Network Rail’s director of operations, said: “I can’t live with the RMT holding the whole country to ransom. The union wants a cast-iron guarantee there will not be any compulsory redundancies. I cannot give that guarantee.”
On an unrelated note i saw the popular union leader enjoying a 3 course slap up champagne dinner at the England game last Wednesday. I'm sure it wasn't on his or someone elses expenses at all.
We're all in it together brothers, during the recession that is, err unless i can bag a freebie to the footy (mine was a mate before you ask!)
We're all in it together brothers, during the recession that is, err unless i can bag a freebie to the footy (mine was a mate before you ask!)
jezzaaa said:
That Royal Mail capitulation has got them all feeling empowered :-(
Not really a capitulation - Royal Mail have done much better out of the negotiations than the Union have. Now the Union are trying to stave off a revolt amongst their membership.I'd say employers seem to have the upper hand these days - BA have the Cabin Crew union exactly where they want them. Scotrail continued to run most services during the recent RMT strike. Time for Unions to wake up and smell the coffee.
Still don't understand the contemporary remit for unions, other than to lift funds from their member's pockets and stir up trouble.
All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
Edited by Digga on Wednesday 10th March 12:05
Digga said:
Still don't understand the contemporary remit for unions, other than to lift funds from their member's pockets and stir up trouble.
All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
They can be useful in terms of helping sort out legal issues/help you find a lawyer when a company tries to get past employee rights and fire you/dismiss you without following the correct procedures (in most cases they assume the employee doesn't know what their "rights" are under employment law, and they're generally correct), but apart from that they are a bit of a dinosaur.All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
Edited by Digga on Wednesday 10th March 12:05
We need Bob Crow and other unions leaders to stick it out, push for higher and higher wages, the more the better.
We need to start to kick on the inflationary pressures that will see us at around 8 - 10 % inflation in the next few years.
Reduces the debt size, falls across all sectors of society roughly equally, and could give millions of ordinary folk a chance to get out of debt.
Plus of course, provided that interest rates stay roughly in line - say up to or around 8% then the pound will stabilise, and after a few tough years we can get back into line.
Admittedly there are some substantial downside, mortgage payers won't like the short term pain, but if their loan is devalued by 20% in three years they will be happier in the long run
We need to start to kick on the inflationary pressures that will see us at around 8 - 10 % inflation in the next few years.
Reduces the debt size, falls across all sectors of society roughly equally, and could give millions of ordinary folk a chance to get out of debt.
Plus of course, provided that interest rates stay roughly in line - say up to or around 8% then the pound will stabilise, and after a few tough years we can get back into line.
Admittedly there are some substantial downside, mortgage payers won't like the short term pain, but if their loan is devalued by 20% in three years they will be happier in the long run
MentalSarcasm said:
Digga said:
Still don't understand the contemporary remit for unions, other than to lift funds from their member's pockets and stir up trouble.
All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
They can be useful in terms of helping sort out legal issues/help you find a lawyer when a company tries to get past employee rights and fire you/dismiss you without following the correct procedures (in most cases they assume the employee doesn't know what their "rights" are under employment law, and they're generally correct), but apart from that they are a bit of a dinosaur.All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
Edited by Digga on Wednesday 10th March 12:05
Gargamel said:
We need Bob Crow and other unions leaders to stick it out, push for higher and higher wages, the more the better.
We need to start to kick on the inflationary pressures that will see us at around 8 - 10 % inflation in the next few years.
Reduces the debt size, falls across all sectors of society roughly equally, and could give millions of ordinary folk a chance to get out of debt.
Plus of course, provided that interest rates stay roughly in line - say up to or around 8% then the pound will stabilise, and after a few tough years we can get back into line.
Admittedly there are some substantial downside, mortgage payers won't like the short term pain, but if their loan is devalued by 20% in three years they will be happier in the long run
Inflation going up won't reduce the debt, only wage inflation will do that. And it will only benefit those that get payrises. The rest of us in the real world are screwed.We need to start to kick on the inflationary pressures that will see us at around 8 - 10 % inflation in the next few years.
Reduces the debt size, falls across all sectors of society roughly equally, and could give millions of ordinary folk a chance to get out of debt.
Plus of course, provided that interest rates stay roughly in line - say up to or around 8% then the pound will stabilise, and after a few tough years we can get back into line.
Admittedly there are some substantial downside, mortgage payers won't like the short term pain, but if their loan is devalued by 20% in three years they will be happier in the long run
Interest rates going up will offset any potential savings anyway as well as the rising cost of living outstripping any wage inflation.
Edited by Dracoro on Wednesday 10th March 12:56
JB! said:
@ OP. do you even understand why the RMT have balloted members?
BZZZZT!<Paxman> Scumbag college, Digga,</Paxman>
Errr, is it because Network Rail are trying to bring about changes to working practices, many of which were inherited from the nationalised British Rail.
<Paxman> No! </Paxman>
That's just a side issue, it's because the RMT fail to grasp quite how terminally and fundamentally f
ked the UK's public finances are, or how tough life in the private (a.k.a. 4 day week/no pay rises/redundancies) sector, life has become.Digga said:
Still don't understand the contemporary remit for unions, other than to lift funds from their member's pockets and stir up trouble.
All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
Watching "Jobless" on BBC1 last night, they seemed to have done a pretty good job for the Visteon workers who were made redundant when they went bust, leaving them without any payoff.All of your employement law is disctated by government policy (most of which now comes from the EU) and the HSE's nose is stuck so far into the workplace, there can't be any real, major issues worthy of representation.
In their day, the unions served a purpose, but now, they're just a troublesome irrelevance.
Formerly owned by Ford, they got Ford to agree to normal redundancy pay, plus a 12 weeks, plus a year's pay.
Dracoro said:
Gargamel said:
We need Bob Crow and other unions leaders to stick it out, push for higher and higher wages, the more the better.
We need to start to kick on the inflationary pressures that will see us at around 8 - 10 % inflation in the next few years.
Reduces the debt size, falls across all sectors of society roughly equally, and could give millions of ordinary folk a chance to get out of debt.
Plus of course, provided that interest rates stay roughly in line - say up to or around 8% then the pound will stabilise, and after a few tough years we can get back into line.
Admittedly there are some substantial downside, mortgage payers won't like the short term pain, but if their loan is devalued by 20% in three years they will be happier in the long run
Inflation going up won't reduce the debt, only wage inflation will do that. And it will only benefit those that get payrises. The rest of us in the real world are screwed.We need to start to kick on the inflationary pressures that will see us at around 8 - 10 % inflation in the next few years.
Reduces the debt size, falls across all sectors of society roughly equally, and could give millions of ordinary folk a chance to get out of debt.
Plus of course, provided that interest rates stay roughly in line - say up to or around 8% then the pound will stabilise, and after a few tough years we can get back into line.
Admittedly there are some substantial downside, mortgage payers won't like the short term pain, but if their loan is devalued by 20% in three years they will be happier in the long run
Interest rates going up will offset any potential savings anyway as well as the rising cost of living outstripping any wage inflation.
Edited by Dracoro on Wednesday 10th March 12:56
Then you need the private sector to boost wages to keep pace, its tricky to do, but we managed it in the seventies oil crisis.
Digga said:
JB! said:
@ OP. do you even understand why the RMT have balloted members?
BZZZZT!<Paxman> Scumbag college, Digga,</Paxman>
Errr, is it because Network Rail are trying to bring about changes to working practices, many of which were inherited from the nationalised British Rail.
<Paxman> No! </Paxman>
Digga said:
JB! said:
@ OP. do you even understand why the RMT have balloted members?
That's just a side issue, it's because the RMT fail to grasp quite how terminally and fundamentally fked the UK's public finances are, or how tough life in the private (a.k.a. 4 day week/no pay rises/redundancies) sector, life has become.in 2008 they said to their workforce that they could stay as they were, on the local T&C's that were in-line with the JWP agreements.
Now they have dedided that because work is scarce they will force new T&C's on their workforce, hoping that they will accept them just to keep food on the table.
When NWR came in they wanted more "family-friendly" working hours, and that has changed to 65 weekend shifts and 3 in 4 weeks of nights for less money? yeah, reeeeeal family friendly that...
i appreciate the need to modernize, but not the way its being done.
I didnt agree with the strikes over pay rises in 2008 when i had friends taking 10 or 20% cuts, but this time round they have my support, especially when Steve Featherstone takes a %'age of every pound saved in redundancies, and the company offer a man with 20 years continuous work (6 days a week or even 13 in 14) £18k volantary severance.
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