Huge Bombs
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cyberface

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12,214 posts

281 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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The 'radioactive material' thread got me browsing around remembering how to build nuclear weapons again. As always, the YouTube clips about the Russians' 'Tsar Bomba' turned up.

57 *million* tonnes of trinitrotoluene equivalent.

More recently, I've enjoyed watching ultra-slow-motion camera footage of bullets passing through various objects and substances, in incredible detail, all due to the huge strides made in video technology recently.

It's a shame that whilst the scientists were busy making the biggest bombs the world has ever seen, the camera guys didn't step up to the plate and deliver us ultra-slow-motion, super-high-resolution videos of those old thermonuclear bombs.

Am I the only nutter who wishes that we had modern footage of those old bombs in action? They're not going to be tested again, or used in anger (I hope). Certainly the Russkies' King of the Bombs won't ever be made again, it was part of a transcontinental dick swinging contest and impractical as a weapon. But I'd like to have seen *that* one - the King of the Bombs - in modern, high resolution, ultra-slow-motion video....

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

266 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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JAYB smiles neutrally and carefully backs away.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

294 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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That smashed windows 3000 miles away.

Trinity and Beyond is worth a look if you're a fan of this sort of stuff.

cyberface

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12,214 posts

281 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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Plotloss said:
That smashed windows 3000 miles away.

Trinity and Beyond is worth a look if you're a fan of this sort of stuff.
yes

Seismic wave measurable a few times around the Earth too. And it was an airburst, fk knows what would have happened if they'd buried it deep underground...

Plotloss

67,280 posts

294 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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TVR Moneypit said:
Plotloss said:
That smashed windows 3000 miles away.
yikes

You've got to be pulling my leg?
The heat of the fireball was felt 620 miles away.

The test firing of 50meg was also only half of what the design was capable of.

Mushroom cloud 7 times higher than Everest.

Other than Zaphod Beeblebrox, surely the best bang since the big one...

mat13

1,977 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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TVR Moneypit said:
cyberface said:
Plotloss said:
That smashed windows 3000 miles away.

Trinity and Beyond is worth a look if you're a fan of this sort of stuff.
yes

Seismic wave measurable a few times around the Earth too. And it was an airburst, fk knows what would have happened if they'd buried it deep underground...
Erm, not meaning to be thick here, but what would have happened if they had burried it 800 metres underground?
ide guess at a ststorm of seismic activity

dibbly_dobbler

11,446 posts

221 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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mat13 said:
TVR Moneypit said:
cyberface said:
Plotloss said:
That smashed windows 3000 miles away.

Trinity and Beyond is worth a look if you're a fan of this sort of stuff.
yes

Seismic wave measurable a few times around the Earth too. And it was an airburst, fk knows what would have happened if they'd buried it deep underground...
Erm, not meaning to be thick here, but what would have happened if they had burried it 800 metres underground?
ide guess at a ststorm of seismic activity
Beware the ides of Matt ...

Neil H

15,409 posts

275 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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Wikipedia said:
The original U.S. estimate of the yield was 57 Mt, but since 1991 all Russian sources have stated its yield as 50 Mt. Khrushchev warned in a filmed speech to the Communist Parliament of the existence of a 100 Mt bomb (technically the design was capable of this yield). The fireball touched the ground, reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane and was seen and felt almost 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) from ground zero. The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 miles) away from ground zero. The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 64 kilometres (40 mi) high (seven times the height of Mount Everest), which meant that the cloud was well inside the Mesosphere when it peaked. The base of the cloud was 40 kilometres (25 mi) wide. The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland[citation needed] , breaking windows there and in Sweden.[citation needed] Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage up to 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) away. The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth.[6] Its seismic body wave magnitude was about 5 to 5.25.[7] The energy yield was around 7.1 on the Richter scale but, since the bomb was detonated in air rather than underground, most of the energy was not converted to seismic waves.
It would be good to see a super slo-mo of it, I know on some video of explosions you can actually see the shockwave moving through the air.

Pesty

42,655 posts

280 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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I find these kind of clips interesting

clips of the test houses and things dissapearing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8z94MXo9M

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

222 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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they should build a 200mt bomb and detonate it on the moon.

front row seats for everyone!

Wacky Racer

40,775 posts

271 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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If you get the chance, try to watch the documentary film "The Atomic Cafe"...(I have it on VHS, taped from the TV years ago)

Excellent, and very informative.....

Balmoral Green

42,559 posts

272 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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SystemParanoia said:
they should build a 200mt bomb and detonate it on the moon.

front row seats flared beige & brown nylon jumpsuits for everyone!

otolith

65,851 posts

228 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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I'm glad that the nuclear arms race is over, and atmospheric testing has stopped.

I'd have still loved to witness one, though.

GTIR

24,741 posts

290 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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When that fuel depot went up in Hemel Hempstead it made a very loud bang and punched my cousins windows clean out of there mountings. (and wrecked his car as the window ended up on the roof, somehow)

He lives three miles away (in Leverstock Green if you're local) from "ground zero".

That was the biggest explosion since WW2 I heard so I can't imagine what the "king of bombs" would be like.

I like it though! thumbup

Cock Womble

29,908 posts

254 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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GTIR said:
(in Leverstock Green if you're local)
Oooo, there's posh.

Is The Leather Bottle still going?

hidetheelephants

34,209 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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SystemParanoia said:
they should build a 200mt bomb and detonate it on the moon.

front row seats for everyone!
As I understand it, once you get over the 10-20 megaton point, the whizzy physics stuff goes funny and it becomes impractical and very expensive to get the bang bigger, plus more is of no military use; the big russian one was just a willy waver, there was no prospect of ever making it into a usable weapon. It would require prohibitively large amounts of fissile material and a stupidly large rocket or plane to carry it.

As to your footage of the bang; I'd be surprised if footage doesn't exist, but it's presumably still rated as secret squirrel. Equipment to do the recording like remote video is a recent innovation, so the tests up to 1963 could not be recorded up close for obvious reasons.

Mr. Potato Head

1,176 posts

243 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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otolith said:
I'm glad that the nuclear arms race is over
Arms race over?

Ha.

GTIR

24,741 posts

290 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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Cock Womble said:
GTIR said:
(in Leverstock Green if you're local)
Oooo, there's posh.

Is The Leather Bottle still going?
Shut down after LP7 left the area. Whoever he was, I hear his dead.

Mars

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238 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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gib6933

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255 months

Thursday 11th March 2010
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I dont know about you lot, but all this frightens the bejesus out of me! boxedin