Where have all the military sims gone?

[LD1Racing]

When I was growing up, most of the games I played were military simulations, tanks (M1A1 Abrahms), helicopters (Gunship 2000), Fighters (Falcon 2-3.0), Stealth bombers (F117A), WWII (SWOTL), Korea (Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, Vietnam (Flight of the Intruder) etc etc, but there doesn't seem to be any modern equivalents, or am I just missing them. Now there only seem to be first person shooters (COD series) or civil flight sims (FS series, X-plane).

Are there any decent military sims available anymore? Just wondering.

Edited by LD1Racing on Friday 12th March 11:39

[Daston]

Armed Assault 2 is a very good sim, a bit buggy in parts but its seriously hard core. Done by the same team who made operation flashpoint.

For WW2 fighter Sims IL2 is still the best out there.

Jets - Lock on pretty much takes it however be prepaired to spend around 2 months learning an F-16 Radar control systems

Choppers - DCS Black Shark (made by the guys above)

[LD1Racing]

Daston said:

Armed Assault 2 is a very good sim, a bit buggy in parts but its seriously hard core. Done by the same team who made operation flashpoint.

For WW2 fighter Sims IL2 is still the best out there.

Jets - Lock on pretty much takes it however be prepaired to spend around 2 months learning an F-16 Radar control systems

Choppers - DCS Black Shark (made by the guys above)

Bought LOMAC a couple of years ago but didn't have time to get back into it, and now can't find the disk. It's only £4 on Amazon, so I'll order another copy. Any idea how well it will run on a MBP with parallels?

[SlipStream77]

I think Falcon 4 is probably the most realistic military sim out there ATM.

http://www.lead-pursuit.com/products.htm

Here's a video of a ramp start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JUpsF5wKE&fea...

[LD1Racing]

SlipStream77 said:

I think Falcon 4 is probably the most realistic military sim out there ATM.

http://www.lead-pursuit.com/products.htm

Here's a video of a ramp start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JUpsF5wKE&fea...

Looks, erm 'involved'. I like it.

[ShadownINja]

LD1Racing said:

SlipStream77 said:

I think Falcon 4 is probably the most realistic military sim out there ATM.

http://www.lead-pursuit.com/products.htm

Here's a video of a ramp start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JUpsF5wKE&fea...

Looks, erm 'involved'. I like it.

That's just ridiculous. After the first crash during take off, you'd bin the game.

[Rarefied Brains]

Falcon4? did that ever get fixed? It was pretty broken when it first came out and iirc the studio pulled the plug on the after-support?

Shame as it was potentially awesome.

[Dare2Fail]

Rarefied Brains said:

Falcon4? did that ever get fixed? It was pretty broken when it first came out and iirc the studio pulled the plug on the after-support?

Shame as it was potentially awesome.

It got very fixed. It had a massively obsessed community that developed lots of new bits and pieces, including a completely new campaign set in Bosnia if I remember correctly. They also felt that the original avionics were not accurate enough (anyone who played the original will know what an insane view this is) and developed a completely new set. They put so much work in that it ended out being launched as a new product that is in the link above. The only slight problem I found is that you don't get a hard copy of the manual and it makes the training missions quite awkward.

Once you get into the game and get through the training missions it is nothing short of spectacular. By far and away the greatest flight sim I have ever played.

[Rarefied Brains]

Dare2Fail said:

Rarefied Brains said:

Falcon4? did that ever get fixed? It was pretty broken when it first came out and iirc the studio pulled the plug on the after-support?

Shame as it was potentially awesome.

It got very fixed. It had a massively obsessed community that developed lots of new bits and pieces, including a completely new campaign set in Bosnia if I remember correctly. They also felt that the original avionics were not accurate enough (anyone who played the original will know what an insane view this is) and developed a completely new set. They put so much work in that it ended out being launched as a new product that is in the link above. The only slight problem I found is that you don't get a hard copy of the manual and it makes the training missions quite awkward.

Once you get into the game and get through the training missions it is nothing short of spectacular. By far and away the greatest flight sim I have ever played.

Blimey cheers for that. had no idea.

what sort of PC do you need for it? the homebrew machine i had at the time was barely adequate.

Did you ever play Falcon 3? I absolutely loved that game at the time.

[LD1Racing]

Falcon 3.0 was great, I remember the sky colours at dawn/dusk were amazing (at the time) and I particularly liked the little shockwave that the ground ordnance created. Very good sim, pretty groundbreaking at the time

[Mattygooner]

Arma 2.

The modders are finaly starting to produce stuff, some of the pipeline work is pretty amazing and soon you will be able to act out any battel from the last 100 years. I know a Normandy invasion mod is being worked on currently which will have such a big map, it will take you half an hour or so to fly over the channel to kill Jerry. Doesnt sound much but when you take in to account you can be a perosn, tank, plane, AA gunner etc it is impressive.

Also, some chap called mando has created some pretty impressive missle dynamics for you to play around with, the work done is quite impressive.

Check out the the development forums - http://forums.bistudio.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[Daston]

Mattygooner said:

Arma 2.

The modders are finaly starting to produce stuff, some of the pipeline work is pretty amazing and soon you will be able to act out any battel from the last 100 years. I know a Normandy invasion mod is being worked on currently which will have such a big map, it will take you half an hour or so to fly over the channel to kill Jerry. Doesnt sound much but when you take in to account you can be a perosn, tank, plane, AA gunner etc it is impressive.

Also, some chap called mando has created some pretty impressive missle dynamics for you to play around with, the work done is quite impressive.

Check out the the development forums - http://forums.bistudio.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Going to have to dust my copy off over the weekend me thinks

[RobM77]

ShadownINja said:

LD1Racing said:

SlipStream77 said:

I think Falcon 4 is probably the most realistic military sim out there ATM.

http://www.lead-pursuit.com/products.htm

Here's a video of a ramp start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JUpsF5wKE&fea...

Looks, erm 'involved'. I like it.

That's just ridiculous. After the first crash during take off, you'd bin the game.

Well it is a sim! Personally I think realism in sims is great; there are far too many arcade games out there for kids. What's the point in doing something that's fake or in some way easier than it could be? For me the ultimate would be to actually fly an F-16 or drive an F1 car, so it logically follows from that I want to get as close to that ultimate experience as possible, I'd feel like a bit of a faker pulling aerobatics in a watered down F-16 which could be made more realistic than it is.