Labour are for the average joe...
Labour are for the average joe...
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wakster

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265 posts

205 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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Somebody I know who is young, black and homosexual is beggining in politics and I got chatting to him on face book.

Anyway along with his praise for Milliband's comment regarding Cameron putting the con into the conservatives he came out with this beauty;

"I'd rather support Labour who work for the average joe, instead of the Conservatives who are rich people, in favour of policies for other rich people."

Just thought I would share my pain with others.

Mclovin

1,679 posts

225 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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jus coz they is rich init even thou when they was in power the pound was strong, the debt was low and most tings were under control....

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

244 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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His ethnicity and sexuality is of course irrelevant

That he thinks this way is simply the result of 13 years of tax payer funded labour party propaganda.

the easiest way to counter it is to show him a list of all the tax raises and failures of labour over the past 13 years, coupled with a simple run down of where they get their money from (Lord Paul and Mandy's finances are a good start) and how that has shaped policy to the detriment of the greater population

neilr

1,587 posts

290 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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I've never understood how, for example, if the Labour party cuts taxes they are seen as 'helping out the working man' but if the Tories cut those SAME taxes they are seen as 'helping out their rich mates' it doesn't make any sense to me at all. (Well it does, the sheeple are morons, but you know what I mean).

If the Labour party win another term then this country faces a very very bleak future indeed. The politics of socialism are extremely dangerous, both socially and economically. I despair sometimes I really do.

Tuna

19,930 posts

311 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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Labour is like your kind old Uncle Bill, who always gave you a fiver when he visited. It's only years later that you work out he was stealing the silver from your house.

Point anyone towards the the http://www.debtbombshell.com/ national debt, and ask them how they feel that they personally, and each and every person they know owes £14K. That's where Labour's kindness to the average Joe has come from - our own back pockets.

tangent police

3,097 posts

203 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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AndrewW-G said:
His ethnicity and sexuality is of course irrelevant
I tell you what, I applied for the civil service super duper grad scheme and heard fk all.

When I did it again as a black lesbian disabled gypsy, I got the call.

I st you not. biggrin

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

244 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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tangent police said:
AndrewW-G said:
His ethnicity and sexuality is of course irrelevant
I tell you what, I applied for the civil service super duper grad scheme and heard fk all.

When I did it again as a black lesbian disabled gypsy, I got the call.

I st you not. biggrin
I'm not surprised, according to a friend working there, the local council will only give grad or work experience positions to people of none traditional local ethnicity (or whatever the PC way of putting it would be)

A simple look at Ragingdud007's anti white / racist posts, shows labour for the institutionally racist tits they really are

ewenm

28,506 posts

272 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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A friend of mine was asked by a canvaser "which party do you usually vote for?". The canvaser seemed quite upset when he replied that the concept of voting for "a usual party" was undemocratic and he considered the local and national policies of each local candidate each election. If only everyone else thought this way and actually thought about the issues, then elections might be worthwhile.

Funkateer

990 posts

202 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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I'm what you'd probably term as an average Joe. I work, have an average income, get by OK, have no debt apart from the mortgage.

I have always lived within my means, but I get stung for extorsionate taxes, and see little return, especially as the main public service that I use is transport - mainly road due to the alternative (rail) costing an arm and a leg.

I now, it would seem, have to bail out all those reckless people and a gormless government who borrowed too much without realising that they actually have to pay all this money back at some point.

I'm not sure how the illegal wars which cost us hundreds of billions benefit me, instead they have (rather understandably) pissed an awful lot of people in the middle east off, whom we now facilitate entry into the country to plot against us. If were were a world centre for mediation and diplomacy, then it wouldn't be such a problem, but we like to fight, don't we?

Still, raise a raft of anti-terrorism laws to track and punish us even more.

If I were rich, I'd afford all the taxes, or better still be able to move away easily. As it stands, I do not benefit at all from Labour. Perhaps I need to sack this notion of working and become a benefits sub-average Joe! Then, perhaps I would!

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

231 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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Don't forget a labour think tank said that

All middle class familys must loose all benefits

Anyone who earns more then 15K is middle class

anonymous-user

81 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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"rich" people? No, just people who get off their fking ass & WORK for a living instead of expecting handouts. I'm far from "rich" but i've NEVER been handed a penny and have NEVER voted for the S that have RUINED this country. Put it this way, if any labour tt knocks on my door this election i may not be as restrained as i was back in the 90's.........

anonymous-user

81 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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Tuna said:
Labour is like your kind old Uncle Bill, who always gave you a fiver when he visited. It's only years later that you work out he was stealing the silver from your house.

Point anyone towards the the http://www.debtbombshell.com/ national debt, and ask them how they feel that they personally, and each and every person they know owes £14K. That's where Labour's kindness to the average Joe has come from - our own back pockets.
Spot on. clap Email THIS to the conservatives......

Funkateer

990 posts

202 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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wakster said:
Somebody I know who is young, black and homosexual is beggining in politics and I got chatting to him on face book.

Anyway along with his praise for Milliband's comment regarding Cameron putting the con into the conservatives he came out with this beauty;

"I'd rather support Labour who work for the average joe, instead of the Conservatives who are rich people, in favour of policies for other rich people."

Just thought I would share my pain with others.
You need to show him this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnxPuidq1qQ

alfabadass

1,852 posts

226 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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wakster said:
Somebody I know who is young, black and homosexual is beggining in politics and I got chatting to him on face book.

Anyway along with his praise for Milliband's comment regarding Cameron putting the con into the conservatives he came out with this beauty;

"I'd rather support Labour who work for the average joe, instead of the Conservatives who are rich people, in favour of policies for other rich people."

Just thought I would share my pain with others.
That is pretty much true though?

ewenm

28,506 posts

272 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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alfabadass said:
wakster said:
Somebody I know who is young, black and homosexual is beggining in politics and I got chatting to him on face book.

Anyway along with his praise for Milliband's comment regarding Cameron putting the con into the conservatives he came out with this beauty;

"I'd rather support Labour who work for the average joe, instead of the Conservatives who are rich people, in favour of policies for other rich people."

Just thought I would share my pain with others.
That is pretty much true though?
Depends if "average Joe" is someone who works hard to support his family or someone who lives on benefits.

Jasandjules

72,347 posts

256 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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Labour are for themselves, an no-one else. Noses firmly in the trough to claim as much as they can. Committed socialists so they are, same as Mr Blair and his estate.................... Funny how the f***its who support Labour never seem to notice that, isn't it?

Funkateer

990 posts

202 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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ewenm said:
alfabadass said:
wakster said:
Somebody I know who is young, black and homosexual is beggining in politics and I got chatting to him on face book.

Anyway along with his praise for Milliband's comment regarding Cameron putting the con into the conservatives he came out with this beauty;

"I'd rather support Labour who work for the average joe, instead of the Conservatives who are rich people, in favour of policies for other rich people."

Just thought I would share my pain with others.
That is pretty much true though?
Depends if "average Joe" is someone who works hard to support his family or someone who lives on benefits.
Yep - and the rich still manage quite well under Labour as they still have a lot more money left over after paying the myriad of taxes, unlike the 'Average Joe' who works hard and has to do without things to make ends meet these days. Think of how many actors and pop stars support Labour. Never has 'Average Joe' been worse off! Well, since the 70s, anyway.

Even a staunch Labour friend of mine is complaining about all the tax, and the uselessness of the current government!

JagLover

46,596 posts

262 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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alfabadass said:
wakster said:
Somebody I know who is young, black and homosexual is beggining in politics and I got chatting to him on face book.

Anyway along with his praise for Milliband's comment regarding Cameron putting the con into the conservatives he came out with this beauty;

"I'd rather support Labour who work for the average joe, instead of the Conservatives who are rich people, in favour of policies for other rich people."

Just thought I would share my pain with others.
That is pretty much true though?
Not really

Labour has favoured low paid parents and the Non working and not squeezed the rich as in the past, but the 13 years of Labour government have been a poor time for the bulk of the population in the middle.

Stealth taxation such as council tax rises have hit them hard and the tax take even in direct taxes has risen through fiscal drag.

An average joe working for the public sector has down well under labour, but not one working for the private sector.

Sticks.

9,675 posts

278 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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The 10p tax issue said all I need to know about Labour's motives. http://everything2.com/title/10p+Tax+Row

Affects a lot of people in the public sector btw.


T89 Callan

8,422 posts

220 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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Tuna said:
Labour is like your kind old Uncle Bill, who always gave you a fiver when he visited. It's only years later that you work out he was raping you and you're little sister.
Far more acurate.

Edited by T89 Callan on Saturday 13th March 11:20