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yeah me again
From 1999-2001, S-Types either came with Basic Sound, which was indescribably crap, and Premium Sound, which was very good. I discovered this when I purchased an S-Type with the former and it sounded like my old 1988 company Sapphire 1.8L... cue eBay and an expensive hunt for a Premium head unit and parcel-shelf woofer/amp jobbie + speakers.
Now I'm after a 2005/6 S-Type and it seems things have changed. It seems that some cars have a single disc CD player in the dash, and others have a multichanger in the boot - but is there still 'Basic' and 'Premium'?
May I presume that none of the parts that I got for my 2001 car will be any use in a 2005/6 model? - in other words, that there's nothing to gain by removing them for the new car?
Cheers all
From 1999-2001, S-Types either came with Basic Sound, which was indescribably crap, and Premium Sound, which was very good. I discovered this when I purchased an S-Type with the former and it sounded like my old 1988 company Sapphire 1.8L... cue eBay and an expensive hunt for a Premium head unit and parcel-shelf woofer/amp jobbie + speakers.
Now I'm after a 2005/6 S-Type and it seems things have changed. It seems that some cars have a single disc CD player in the dash, and others have a multichanger in the boot - but is there still 'Basic' and 'Premium'?
May I presume that none of the parts that I got for my 2001 car will be any use in a 2005/6 model? - in other words, that there's nothing to gain by removing them for the new car?
Cheers all
The basic audio has a single slot CD & an optional CD changer in the boot. Mine has Alpine premium audio which is OK but not fantastic & I think that had single CD/Cd changer as an option as before. Mine has Jaguars Audio connectivity module in the centre console which plays iPod or USB key & is great.
Thanks for that - what about speakers? The older S-Type Premium sound has speakers all over the place, mpost notably a massive chunk under the parcel shelf whch contains another amplifier, and also two parcel shelf speakers - I managed to retrofit them from eBay.
Is the premium option, if such a thing exists, visually identifiable? For example I asked a salesman over the phone to look under the parcel shelf of a 2005 model and he said it was just carpet.
Is the premium option, if such a thing exists, visually identifiable? For example I asked a salesman over the phone to look under the parcel shelf of a 2005 model and he said it was just carpet.
Speakers are all over the place as you say. The best way to check is to get a look up done on the Jaguar system as the VIN will show the build & all the options. Mine has the front door speakers marked Alpine whereas the original one I had which had standard fit didn't have the Alpine badges.
OK, Alpine badges on the front door speakers is a start - anything else? Non-franchised salesmen seem to have no idea about it.
I gather that if you plan to upgrade the stereo you need to start with a car that has the touchscreen display - ie satnav models. Could one assume that all satnav models have the better hifi, or is it not that easy? Do the 2002+ models use a rear shelf amp/speaker unit? - that's easy to spot.
I gather that if you plan to upgrade the stereo you need to start with a car that has the touchscreen display - ie satnav models. Could one assume that all satnav models have the better hifi, or is it not that easy? Do the 2002+ models use a rear shelf amp/speaker unit? - that's easy to spot.
I couldnt remenber so I looked through my wiring diagrams.
The power amps for the 1999 - 2002 cars, are hard wired from the head unit and only power the extra speakers, the head unit powers the original 4 speakers regardless which setup you have. So you could take a basic car and buy the 2amps and 2 groups of speakers and plug them in later and make it premium.
THe 2002.5 on cars, basic is four (of your finest ford sierra) speakers, single CD head unit with optional CD changer. The for speakers are powered by the head unit.
Premium has four speakers in the same door locations, but they are alpine duel mid and tweet + two subs in the rear shelf, again CD changer (boot mounted) optional.
Its power amp is in the boot also and on the D2B firbe optic network. Looking closely the power amp powers all of the speaks the head unit only feeds the amp, so that means its a diffrent head unit so if you want premuim, you need to buy a car with premium sound already in it.
From the wiring diagrams its deffinatly possible to have a non NAV car with premium sound. But be aware its equally posible to have a NAV car with standard sound, but weather they were marketed like that in this country I dont know.
SO to identify a car with premium, as above apline badges on the speaker grills, there are two subs in the rear shelf, although a different type to the ones fitted 1999-2002. Also inside the boot on the LH side there is a panel covering the NAV DVD drive if fitted and a load of other modules, in there will be an amplifier. Amps are always easy to spot ammoung other control modules as the have big heat sinks on them to keep cool.
Here is a non NAV car with phone and premium sound, you can just see the apline badge on the door speaker.
The power amps for the 1999 - 2002 cars, are hard wired from the head unit and only power the extra speakers, the head unit powers the original 4 speakers regardless which setup you have. So you could take a basic car and buy the 2amps and 2 groups of speakers and plug them in later and make it premium.
THe 2002.5 on cars, basic is four (of your finest ford sierra) speakers, single CD head unit with optional CD changer. The for speakers are powered by the head unit.
Premium has four speakers in the same door locations, but they are alpine duel mid and tweet + two subs in the rear shelf, again CD changer (boot mounted) optional.
Its power amp is in the boot also and on the D2B firbe optic network. Looking closely the power amp powers all of the speaks the head unit only feeds the amp, so that means its a diffrent head unit so if you want premuim, you need to buy a car with premium sound already in it.
From the wiring diagrams its deffinatly possible to have a non NAV car with premium sound. But be aware its equally posible to have a NAV car with standard sound, but weather they were marketed like that in this country I dont know.
SO to identify a car with premium, as above apline badges on the speaker grills, there are two subs in the rear shelf, although a different type to the ones fitted 1999-2002. Also inside the boot on the LH side there is a panel covering the NAV DVD drive if fitted and a load of other modules, in there will be an amplifier. Amps are always easy to spot ammoung other control modules as the have big heat sinks on them to keep cool.
Here is a non NAV car with phone and premium sound, you can just see the apline badge on the door speaker.
Brilliant - just what I needed. Many thanks.Just to say that the above is all correct, except that you do not need a different head unit (nav or non nav) to use the optical fibre amp in the boot. If you plug it in the system will (provided you have at least one other optical fibre device like a changer, nav, phone, voice) automatically recognize and use the amplifier. If the amplifier is cabled in correctly you can then swap the door speakers and you should find a spare loom curled up in the door that runs back to the amp instead of to the head unit.
If you don't have the nav head unit and don't have anything else on the D2B optical network apparently you need to get it switched on with dealer computer equipment.
Lots of info on this at www.jaguarforums.co.uk
Just changing the door speakers from the standard system makes an enormous difference, the standard fit really are appaling.
Regards,
Dave
If you don't have the nav head unit and don't have anything else on the D2B optical network apparently you need to get it switched on with dealer computer equipment.
Lots of info on this at www.jaguarforums.co.uk
Just changing the door speakers from the standard system makes an enormous difference, the standard fit really are appaling.
Regards,
Dave
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