Has the AA got it wrong?,,,,,,,,,along with everyone else
Discussion
Everyone is talking about a 3 pence increase in fuel prices from 1st April. Sadly that is not the full story. Lets step back a year. There was suposed to be a 2p increase in April 2009 which was postponed till October 2009 then postponed again till April 2010.Then in January 2010 the VAT increase added approx 2.3p/Litre. Now we get to the part everyone is overlooking. In his pre-budget report our "Darling" chancelor said fuel duty would be going up 1p IN REAL TERMS which tanslated means ABOVE THE RATE OF INFLATION now standing around 4%.That means an increase of around 5p a litre plus the 2p being carried forward since April2009/October2009 plus VAT on both. We are looking at possibly 8.2p/Litre increase. Or an EXTRA £3.73P to fill 10 gallons.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Reminds me of the rabbit blinded by the headights about to be run over.
The AA is on the motorists side, Whether they are right or wrong WE all know that we are getting ripped off for petrol, £1.21 at my local garage. Just seen on a website that fuel in the uk without VAT and fuel duty would cost just 53p a litre. If you add the VAT which would be 17.5% that equals to around 60-62p a litre.
I personally would like to praise the AA in their efforts to reduce fuel duty.
Its going to hit a point soon anyway, There will be a time when more business's go under and the goverment would have to RAISE fuel duty again to make up for lost profit when we all decide not to drive as its too expensive
I personally would like to praise the AA in their efforts to reduce fuel duty.
Its going to hit a point soon anyway, There will be a time when more business's go under and the goverment would have to RAISE fuel duty again to make up for lost profit when we all decide not to drive as its too expensive
The price will fall back again, it always does. But while the oil companies think they can get away with it, and the government, the nudge nudge will continue so they can rake it in.
The 6 quid gallon is now in sight. Incredible!
Joe Public has no backbone anymore.
We just moan and then fill up now. Everybody is working all god's hours, no time for anyone, roll on the weekend and what does everyone do? Drown their sorrows or fill up the the supermarket car parks doing their mad weekly shop.
And this apathy means we will probably have 5 more years of Noo Labour to complete and totally finish off this once proud independent country.
The 6 quid gallon is now in sight. Incredible!
Joe Public has no backbone anymore.
We just moan and then fill up now. Everybody is working all god's hours, no time for anyone, roll on the weekend and what does everyone do? Drown their sorrows or fill up the the supermarket car parks doing their mad weekly shop.
And this apathy means we will probably have 5 more years of Noo Labour to complete and totally finish off this once proud independent country.
Leigh Delamare services were selling regular petrol for 127.9 on Monday (hate to think what they were going to ask for super unleaded!) This is ridiculous and I have to say, I have no idea what Joe Public can do about it?
Do you trust any Politician enough, from any party, to bring fuel duty down? They can't afford to... We're all being badgered into buying more economical cars and being told to drive 5 miles less per week, but this will simply mean the duty will have to go up to restore the revenue stream. I genuinely believe that, if we all drove cars with half the fuel consumption of whatever we currently drive, in time, the fuel duty would double, so we would only be very marginally 'better off' at the pumps (but very much worse off, from the hidden cost of developing and maintaining fuel efficient cars).
On the latter point, how many of us have had to dig into our own pockets for repairs relating to fuel efficient technologies... EGR valves, MAF sensors, Double VANOS, other VVT systems (e.g. Variocam), etc. ANY additional purchase and maintenance cost on ANY recent high-performance diesel engine in a passenger car: These simply would not exist at all if it wasn't for the stupid EU economy test - that is getting further and further away from reality, as manufacturers develop clever systems to use very little fuel in the 'Grandad driving indoors' test, but fantastic performance (and the thirst of Oliver Reed) in real World 'Petrol-head' driving.
On the last point, how many people paid extra for a diesel engine passenger car before the official EU test existed (c. 1990 I think?) and manufacturers were legally obligated to display fuel consumption figures in all their advertising material? I was working for Mercedes-Benz in the mid '80s and even the G-Wagons were mostly petrol and we insisted on a very large deposit for a 300D (as you would struggle to sell it again if the original order was cancelled).
We think this is all about CO2, but it's not.... Nobody had ever heard of Global Warming back then (in fact I seem to recall being more concerned about an Ice Age). back then it was about finite supply of oil (publicly), but probably really about having to trade with the Middle East (who still don't seem to be that concerned about either MMGW or finite fuel supplies - £6.00 to fill a Range Rover tank in Libya (and I didn't misplace the decimal point).
Do you trust any Politician enough, from any party, to bring fuel duty down? They can't afford to... We're all being badgered into buying more economical cars and being told to drive 5 miles less per week, but this will simply mean the duty will have to go up to restore the revenue stream. I genuinely believe that, if we all drove cars with half the fuel consumption of whatever we currently drive, in time, the fuel duty would double, so we would only be very marginally 'better off' at the pumps (but very much worse off, from the hidden cost of developing and maintaining fuel efficient cars).
On the latter point, how many of us have had to dig into our own pockets for repairs relating to fuel efficient technologies... EGR valves, MAF sensors, Double VANOS, other VVT systems (e.g. Variocam), etc. ANY additional purchase and maintenance cost on ANY recent high-performance diesel engine in a passenger car: These simply would not exist at all if it wasn't for the stupid EU economy test - that is getting further and further away from reality, as manufacturers develop clever systems to use very little fuel in the 'Grandad driving indoors' test, but fantastic performance (and the thirst of Oliver Reed) in real World 'Petrol-head' driving.
On the last point, how many people paid extra for a diesel engine passenger car before the official EU test existed (c. 1990 I think?) and manufacturers were legally obligated to display fuel consumption figures in all their advertising material? I was working for Mercedes-Benz in the mid '80s and even the G-Wagons were mostly petrol and we insisted on a very large deposit for a 300D (as you would struggle to sell it again if the original order was cancelled).
We think this is all about CO2, but it's not.... Nobody had ever heard of Global Warming back then (in fact I seem to recall being more concerned about an Ice Age). back then it was about finite supply of oil (publicly), but probably really about having to trade with the Middle East (who still don't seem to be that concerned about either MMGW or finite fuel supplies - £6.00 to fill a Range Rover tank in Libya (and I didn't misplace the decimal point).
Pageo said:
The AA is on the motorists side, Whether they are right or wrong WE all know that we are getting ripped off for petrol, £1.21 at my local garage. Just seen on a website that fuel in the uk without VAT and fuel duty would cost just 53p a litre. If you add the VAT which would be 17.5% that equals to around 60-62p a litre.
I personally would like to praise the AA in their efforts to reduce fuel duty.
Its going to hit a point soon anyway, There will be a time when more business's go under and the goverment would have to RAISE fuel duty again to make up for lost profit when we all decide not to drive as its too expensive
I wish the AA were on our side. Then, and the RAC,and everyone else shouodl have been campaigning for the rights of motorists, rather then rtying to sell us car insuarnce/house insurance/ home emergency response/driving lessons, Hotels, loans and credit cards. No really; have a look at their website. Its all they are interested in. I personally would like to praise the AA in their efforts to reduce fuel duty.
Its going to hit a point soon anyway, There will be a time when more business's go under and the goverment would have to RAISE fuel duty again to make up for lost profit when we all decide not to drive as its too expensive
Well personally I always use the cheapest garage around my home, and has always been Sainsburys, which stays on par with ASDA.
Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
Time to garage my car and use my bus pass me thinks......
Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
Time to garage my car and use my bus pass me thinks......
williamp said:
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I wish the AA were on our side. Then, and the RAC,and everyone else shouodl have been campaigning for the rights of motorists, rather then rtying to sell us car insuarnce/house insurance/ home emergency response/driving lessons, Hotels, loans and credit cards. No really; have a look at their website. Its all they are interested in.
I'm afraid this is true...I wish the AA were on our side. Then, and the RAC,and everyone else shouodl have been campaigning for the rights of motorists, rather then rtying to sell us car insuarnce/house insurance/ home emergency response/driving lessons, Hotels, loans and credit cards. No really; have a look at their website. Its all they are interested in.
Gone are the days when AA patrol men tipped off speeding motorists about the presence of the boys in blue. They are primarily a breakdown insurance and recovery organisation and have been for many years.
I'm afraid this always happens when 'Clubs' spot a profit opportunity that they can't exploit through a non-profit 'members club'. They become commercial organisations and pretty quickly stop being representing the interests of their members and switch loyalties to the shareholders and Directors
Porsche Club GB is another example of that (they have been a Ltd Co. Trading As PCGB for many years now...
)Vipers said:
Well personally I always use the cheapest garage around my home, and has always been Sainsburys, which stays on par with ASDA.
Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
Because supermarket fuel is inferior?Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/media/Auto_Expr...
The Tossers that (currently, but hopefully not for much longer) "run" our country tell us that we should use public transport and use our cars less. That would be fine if a) It worked and b) it was not massively over crowded and stupidly expensive.
If I were to use public transport to get to work, it would approximately quadruple my journey time.. It's therefore not do-able.
The recent jump in inflation was caused by the fuel price increase.
Apparently we pay 232% tax on fuel... How are we not being royally screwed??
What we need is some from of protest... maybe even a general strike.... but it won't happen... UK PLC does not have the backbone for this....and unfortunatley the goverment know this...
If I were to use public transport to get to work, it would approximately quadruple my journey time.. It's therefore not do-able.
The recent jump in inflation was caused by the fuel price increase.
Apparently we pay 232% tax on fuel... How are we not being royally screwed??
What we need is some from of protest... maybe even a general strike.... but it won't happen... UK PLC does not have the backbone for this....and unfortunatley the goverment know this...
TonyRPH said:
Vipers said:
Well personally I always use the cheapest garage around my home, and has always been Sainsburys, which stays on par with ASDA.
Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
Because supermarket fuel is inferior?Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/media/Auto_Expr...
The Results
The clear winner was Shell, which offered both the lowest price (Not where I live matey) and the best fuel economy.
The bottom line is, for the most part there is precious little difference in fuel economy between the big branded fuels and supermarket offerings with the latter supplying some of the best fuels in the test.
Maybe in a high powered racing car there might be a noticable difference, didn't mention the driver noticed anything, but for the daily commute, not worth bothering about, cant say as I have noticed it in 20 years motoring.
And 4p a litre saved is noticable.....
Edited by Vipers on Sunday 2nd May 11:18
Vipers said:
TonyRPH said:
Vipers said:
Well personally I always use the cheapest garage around my home, and has always been Sainsburys, which stays on par with ASDA.
Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
Because supermarket fuel is inferior?Why people use the Shell garage up the road from them, which is ALWAYS 3-4 p a litre dearer I have no idea, can they be so thick?
http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/media/Auto_Expr...
The Results
The clear winner was Shell, which offered both the lowest price (Not where I live matey) and the best fuel economy.
The bottom line is, for the most part there is precious little difference in fuel economy between the big branded fuels and supermarket offerings with the latter supplying some of the best fuels in the test.
Maybe in a high powered racing car there might be a noticable difference, didn't mention the driver noticed anything, but for the daily commute, not worth bothering about, cant say as I have noticed it in 20 years motoring.
And 4p a litre saved is noticable.....
Edited by Vipers on Sunday 2nd May 11:18
kVA said:
I have never seen anywhere in the UK where Shell V-Power is 4p per litre more than the nearest Tesco 99... Personally, I can't tell the difference between these two specific fuels, but have never experienced contaminated Shell, whereas I have heard of lots of cases of dodgy Tesco fuel. So, if there is only a penny or two in it, I'll buy the Shell (and the sandwiches are usually better in the forecourt shop!)
Dont have a Tesco to compare to, but currently one shell garage up here is 3 p dearer than Sainsburys (I always use them), and ASDA, and always has been 3 to 4 p difference for as long as I can remember. Anyway, OH gets the points..........
Vipers said:
kVA said:
I have never seen anywhere in the UK where Shell V-Power is 4p per litre more than the nearest Tesco 99... Personally, I can't tell the difference between these two specific fuels, but have never experienced contaminated Shell, whereas I have heard of lots of cases of dodgy Tesco fuel. So, if there is only a penny or two in it, I'll buy the Shell (and the sandwiches are usually better in the forecourt shop!)
Dont have a Tesco to compare to, but currently one shell garage up here is 3 p dearer than Sainsburys (I always use them), and ASDA, and always has been 3 to 4 p difference for as long as I can remember. Anyway, OH gets the points..........
) So I won't be using Sainsbury's or ASDA fuel any time soon (unless I'm on vapour and can't find Shell or Tesco)!
I have to say that I notice the difference between fuels.
A lot are on a par but there are some execptions.
I have a Jaguar X300 (with trip computer) and have found that some of the "cheap" fuels are a false economy. Most of the supermarket ones seem to be on a par with each other (and not bad compared to the "big names") but there is one petrol station in Reading I have stopped using as I always get at least 10% worse fuel economy when I fill up at that one.
I find that "super" ulneaded is a false economy in the Jag as it is set to run on standard unleaded fuel, however if your engine is set to take advantage of the extra octane then the extra few pence a litre can be outweighed by the extra performance (either as extra power or extra economy as stated earlier in the thread).
Just my few pence worth...take it or leave it.
A lot are on a par but there are some execptions.
I have a Jaguar X300 (with trip computer) and have found that some of the "cheap" fuels are a false economy. Most of the supermarket ones seem to be on a par with each other (and not bad compared to the "big names") but there is one petrol station in Reading I have stopped using as I always get at least 10% worse fuel economy when I fill up at that one.
I find that "super" ulneaded is a false economy in the Jag as it is set to run on standard unleaded fuel, however if your engine is set to take advantage of the extra octane then the extra few pence a litre can be outweighed by the extra performance (either as extra power or extra economy as stated earlier in the thread).
Just my few pence worth...take it or leave it.
TonyRPH said:
Haha, one of the most dubious tuning companies around coupled with the Automotive equivalent of the Sunday Sport. I'm sure it's a totally reliable and accurate report.Gassing Station | Motoring News | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff