VXR8 or Civic FD2 after a RX-8

[suoama]

Hello All,
it's a pleasure to talk on this forum.
Would you please excuse me for my poor english because i talk from France (in fact i am french)

Last december i bought a mazda RX-8 from UK. (i saw attractive adds on piston heads)
The design is great, the car comfortable and i love the way it rev at high rpm.
But the fact is the RX-8 has a poor gaz mileage even if you drive with an egg under your foot.(i don't know if we can say that in english lol)

I need something more practical too. (5 seats with a great trunk would be great)
And of course i would like something more "punchy". (i remember the great torque of the old Cherokee 4.0 v6 limited i drive last summer)
I would like something very strong (like my toyota) and very reliable.

I've got a budget of 15 - 20 k€ (about 13 - 18k£)
I hesitate between the new Civic Type R FD2 (witch is not common in France) with 225 hp and the WauxhAll VXR8 404 HP

The matter is i need a COC (Certificate Of Conformity) to ride these cars in France. So i can't ride a JDM car.
The RX-8 was fine because Mazda sells it in France.

Wich car would you choose for this budget (and more precisely between the VxR8 and the Civic ?)

I prefer 5 seats, 4 doors, a car that 's not old with a great reliability

What about the VXR8 gaz mileage compared to the RX-8 ?
Does the Civic feels uncomfortable compared to the RX-8 ?

For insurance i don't know because we got specific insurance for american cars.

i 'am afraid about the VXR-8 reliability and the price of the mechanicals parts compared to the civic.
I don't know if Civic type R FD2 is UK or JDM parts.


That's not easy to choose.

Yes i could take a 335 bmw (but what happened if i decide to sell it ? it would be very hard to sale it with a rhd hand because bmw is a common car here.)

And of course the VXR-8 and the Civic FD2 are not common at all here
I think you got more space and more trunk than the bm 335, that's a "plus" too


Thanks for helping.
Kind regards

[308mate]

You may want to pop in and ask the guys in the HSV/VXR forum, but I would hazard that Holden/Vauxhall parts and servicing will be cheaper than Honda.

Seems an odd choice of possibilities youve given yourself. Theyre so different(?)

[suoama]

hello thanks to you 308mate.

I don't know if the guys in the HSV/VXR forum know well the civic. That's why i'll be happy to take advices from both users.


That's right theses cars are so different. But they have on common to be sports cars with 4 doors, atmo engine, big space on board and a bit different than french or german cars.

The matter is : should i take the VXR that is a sort of muscle car (i'll take it with automatic gear box ) and a big space on board with great power or the civic that seems to be more praticeable and more economical.
Maybe the civic is enough for me.

I shoud try these two cars, but i prefer to know wich one will be the better choice for me before i come to UK.

[hondafanatic]

I have an FD2. If i had the choice you're making, I'd go for the VXR8.

The FD2 is only four seater, you mention wanting five seats. The FD2 is a fantastic car, but i'm not going to defend it against a V8 rear wheel drive brute.

The FD2 is firm riding, no toys inside and is really track orientated for a four door saloon. As will be stated, you need to rev the nuts off it to make sing, and it's not about straight line performance...

Pick the VXR8.

Edit to add - Your English is very good, better than a lot of newbies.

Edited by hondafanatic on Wednesday 24th March 20:55

[richcorsavxr]

2 totally differnt cars your looking at there, personnaly it would be the vxr8, you'll probly get 15mpg around town and maybe lucky to see 30mpg on motorway cruise's..... but it looks great has a big v8 and is really a holden with a vauxhall badge on it

[suoama]

Hello,

many thanks to you guys.

i thought Civic fd2 was 5 seats like the FN2. The matter is the FN2 is only 3 doors, doesn't have lsd (only the champion ship white edition), and maybe 201 HP won't be enough after a rear wheel drive RX-8.

Just a question FD2 is a UK or JDM car ?

Hondafanatic, what about your gaz mileage in town and on motorway when cruising ?

Do you think the Vxr8 will be as reliable as the fd2 ?

thanks

[ex vtskid]

FD2 is a JDM model, not a UK model

[r-kid]

Can't comment on the civic but can on the VXR8. It won't be much better on fuel than your rx8. Expect 20mpg average.

Reliability wise they are a big unstressed v8 so if kept standard they are mechanically very good. Electrics tend to be the Achilles heel of them, especially in cold weather.

Servicing is simple & very reasonable if you avoid vauxhall, every 10k & cost between £150-250.

As above parts are reasonable, though sometimes you have to wait a while if they need to come from aus. Tyres are the biggest cost at £200-£300 a corner & dependant on your driving style then they could last 20k on the rears though most on the HSV forum tend to get through them a lot quicker.

[scarebus]

Bonjour...
The guys in the HSV/VXR forum dont bite and are always helpful despite how silly your enquiry might be, but they are all a bit obsessed with Monaros/VXR8s so dont expect a balanced comparison.

The VXR8 is truly awesome, it is an amazing car and is one of the biggest secrets in the car industry, you will not get more bhp for your buck. The engine is very lazy but torquey, so you will always be going faster than you might think.
Fuel consumption is similar to the RX8, I average 18mpg on country roads, and if you try really (really) hard you will get high 20's on the highways...
Its comfy, lots of toys, and it always gets the right sort of attention from other people. Yes servicing is cheap (I guess you can get engine work done at your local Corvette dealer) and insurance is not bad either.
It has an LSD so much fun can be had, brakes are really good and 275 rears will give you all the grip you will ever need.
When you get bored of it, just spend some money on it and transform it into a real muscle monster.... £7-9k for 150-200bhp extra

The civic..... uummm, it looks nice, very harsh ride, really buzzy 4 cylinder engine, wont get it serviced easily in France, look rubbish when dirty (white/black), cant really tune it much, fwd , looks like a boy racer car...

See balanced discussion

Good Luck

[killsta]

I too had an RX8 for a bit, and I too got a bit sick of the lack of torque and st mpg.

So I bought a Focus ST

[hondafanatic]

scarebus said:

The civic..... uummm, it looks nice, very harsh ride, really buzzy 4 cylinder engine, wont get it serviced easily in France, look rubbish when dirty (white/black), cant really tune it much, fwd , looks like a boy racer car...

Easy buddy... It's not a very harsh ride, it's firm, but it's controlled, of course it's a buzzy 4 cylinder, it's essentially the same engine as the UK type-r, so easy to get serviced, any car dirty looks rubbish, of course you can tune it easily (google Rotrex), I've yet to see a boy racer have one as they are too damned expensive.

I've already said of the two, I'd pick a V8 rwd brute, but there's no need to rubbish a car you don't know a lot about. Apologies for my defensive post, but big up your car, don't rubbish someone else's.



It's definitely a four seater, there are only four seatbelts and no, fitting a fifth runs the risk of voiding insurance.

[DamianBPhoto]

If I had the money I would go VXR8. It's probably not any where as economical as the Honda, but I doubt you will have as much fun as you would in the VXR8.

[scarebus]

"I've already said of the two, I'd pick a V8 rwd brute, but there's no need to rubbish a car you don't know a lot about. Apologies for my defensive post, but big up your car, don't rubbish someone else's."


Fair call, as I said I respect the 4 door Civic, much nice than the euro 'Egg' shape version. But in my opinion I really dont think we can compare these two cars together, they seem to be total opposites. Civic, is a fine precious front wheel drive (poss. best in class), VXR, uummm well bit of a lary brute. I guess both these cars have rarity in common....

Edited by scarebus on Friday 26th March 07:49

Edited by scarebus on Friday 26th March 07:50

[hondafanatic]

scarebus said:

"I've already said of the two, I'd pick a V8 rwd brute, but there's no need to rubbish a car you don't know a lot about. Apologies for my defensive post, but big up your car, don't rubbish someone else's."


Fair call, as I said I respect the 4 door Civic, much nice than the euro 'Egg' shape version. But in my opinion I really dont think we can compare these two cars together, they seem to be total opposites. Civic, is a fine precious front wheel drive (poss. best in class), VXR, uummm well bit of a lary brute. I guess both these cars have rarity in common....

Edited by scarebus on Friday 26th March 07:49

Edited by scarebus on Friday 26th March 07:50

I don't think you can compare them either. Thanks for the decent response, it's a rarity nowadays.

[edo]

suoama said:

Hello All,
it's a pleasure to talk on this forum.
Would you please excuse me for my poor english because i talk from France (in fact i am french)

Last december i bought a mazda RX-8 from UK. (i saw attractive adds on piston heads)
The design is great, the car comfortable and i love the way it rev at high rpm.
But the fact is the RX-8 has a poor gaz mileage even if you drive with an egg under your foot.(i don't know if we can say that in english lol)

I need something more practical too. (5 seats with a great trunk would be great)
And of course i would like something more "punchy". (i remember the great torque of the old Cherokee 4.0 v6 limited i drive last summer)
I would like something very strong (like my toyota) and very reliable.

I've got a budget of 15 - 20 k€ (about 13 - 18k£)
I hesitate between the new Civic Type R FD2 (witch is not common in France) with 225 hp and the WauxhAll VXR8 404 HP

The matter is i need a COC (Certificate Of Conformity) to ride these cars in France. So i can't ride a JDM car.
The RX-8 was fine because Mazda sells it in France.

Wich car would you choose for this budget (and more precisely between the VxR8 and the Civic ?)

I prefer 5 seats, 4 doors, a car that 's not old with a great reliability

What about the VXR8 gaz mileage compared to the RX-8 ?
Does the Civic feels uncomfortable compared to the RX-8 ?

For insurance i don't know because we got specific insurance for american cars.

i 'am afraid about the VXR-8 reliability and the price of the mechanicals parts compared to the civic.
I don't know if Civic type R FD2 is UK or JDM parts.


That's not easy to choose.

Yes i could take a 335 bmw (but what happened if i decide to sell it ? it would be very hard to sale it with a rhd hand because bmw is a common car here.)

And of course the VXR-8 and the Civic FD2 are not common at all here
I think you got more space and more trunk than the bm 335, that's a "plus" too


Thanks for helping.
Kind regards

Welcome. Your English is better than a lot of people on here

[marcosgt]

If fuel consumption is your concern I can't see the VXR8 being much better than an RX8 if driven in a similar manner.

So I guess you need the Civic

M.

[suoama]

Hello,
first i would like to thank you ever so much for answers.

Just a question hondafanatic, could you please give me your gaz mileage ?
So i could compare the VXR8 and The Honda on this point.

That's right VXR8 has got bad gaz mileage, but only if you compare it to a little sedan or a normal diesel car.
VXR8 is a big car, with a big engine, and i hope it will outperform the RX-8 (wich is a nice car, but i think gaz mileage is not very good on a such car)

Two ways : one car than can replace the RX8 and that will be more economical, or another one that might have the same gaz mileage or insurance costs but with such extra equipements / room / power.

That's the way i think and that's how i 'd like to replace my RX-8

[hondafanatic]

suoama said:

Hello,
first i would like to thank you ever so much for answers.

Just a question hondafanatic, could you please give me your gaz mileage ?
So i could compare the VXR8 and The Honda on this point.

That's right VXR8 has got bad gaz mileage, but only if you compare it to a little sedan or a normal diesel car.
VXR8 is a big car, with a big engine, and i hope it will outperform the RX-8 (wich is a nice car, but i think gaz mileage is not very good on a such car)

Two ways : one car than can replace the RX8 and that will be more economical, or another one that might have the same gaz mileage or insurance costs but with such extra equipements / room / power.

That's the way i think and that's how i 'd like to replace my RX-8

Hi,

I don't measure it i'm afraid.

I had a quick search on this site an another owner put the following;

"Car returns 31 + mpg on a long run, averaging around 26/27 around town over a full tank inc. VTEC action" - giger

[suoama]

ok, thx

I think i am gonna take the Automatic version

[LuS1fer]

As far as I can see, the choice is VXR8 or VXR8 - or a Monaro. Did you say something else?