Willie Walsh you plonker

[oyster]

Now you've taken away the travel perks permanently from those who participated in the first BA strike, what ammunition have you got left to encourage them against taking part in the second strike tomorrow, or any subsequent strikes?

Surely it would have been better to have said to the strikers that you can have your perks back after 6 months IF you take part in no further strikes.

[JRM]

I'm sure he'll think of some more things, doubt that was his trump card. Good on him I reckon

[Skipppy]

I agree, good on him.

BA are still running. Sooner or later the strikers frustrations will turn to the union.

[Busa_Rush]

oyster said:

Now you've taken away the travel perks permanently from those who participated in the first BA strike, what ammunition have you got left to encourage them against taking part in the second strike tomorrow, or any subsequent strikes?

Surely it would have been better to have said to the strikers that you can have your perks back after 6 months IF you take part in no further strikes.

If they keep striking BA will be unable to pay them . . . then it won;t be travel perks but their jobs !

[fido]

oyster said:

Surely it would have been better to have said to the strikers that you can have your perks back after 6 months IF you take part in no further strikes.

I thought the same thing, but then BA still has the option of reinstating their perks in the future - perhaps by not announcing this they are saving up their ammo for future? Looking at it another way - they're in a war with unions and this is not the time to show leniency - i'd be going for maxiumum pyschological damage to break the will of the strikers. In fact i wouldn't reinstate perks until after the next round of redundancies. F8ck me i've become a total bast8rd.

[JRM]

Tonker's got a good price, the City is four-square behind Walsh and they'll want to see continued tough negotiation from him, if he backs down or stops taking bold steps they might lose faith and he can't afford that, whereas he can afford some more strikes

[Muzzer]

oyster said:

Now you've taken away the travel perks permanently from those who participated in the first BA strike, what ammunition have you got left to encourage them against taking part in the second strike tomorrow, or any subsequent strikes?

Surely it would have been better to have said to the strikers that you can have your perks back after 6 months IF you take part in no further strikes.

He doesn't need ammunition to stop them striking. With the city behind him (and public opinion IMO) the strikers and Union are like Lemmings walking towards the cliff edge.

I just hope that Union chief is kicked square in the nuts before he reaches it

[Tony*T3]

The general public has no sympathy for the strikers either dont forget. tried to fek up Christmas, failed, turned to Easter. WOrse possible tactics from the Union quite frankly.

If the public had sympathy for the strikers and started to pressurise BA by saying they were treating their staff badly, then this could have worked for them. But all thats happening is people are saying the Unions and strikers are trying to blackamil the company by hurting joe public. Its below the belt tactics quite frankly, and it isnt going to work.

[Mclovin]

when is this union gonna break, hopefully soon and with it the labour party.....

you would think they would be grateful travelling round the world handing out peanuts and getting paid for it....

[Mikeyboy]

I think he was right to take away something that he had been using as a negotiating tool.
this is a union that doesn't sem to get that by taking such extreme forms of its right to strike will in fact do its mebers more harm than good.
And all becuase they think their members have a right to things no-one at any other firm thinks of as industry standard by most accounts.

[oyster]

JRM said:

I'm sure he'll think of some more things, doubt that was his trump card. Good on him I reckon

I hope you're right.

[Deva Link]

Tony*T3 said:

The general public has no sympathy for the strikers either dont forget. tried to fek up Christmas, failed, turned to Easter. WOrse possible tactics from the Union quite frankly.

It's not just that, but most people think of it as a glamorous job and one that is well paid to boot. The general public is never going to be sympathetic towards people that they're envious off.

[Tony*T3]

Deva Link said:

Tony*T3 said:

The general public has no sympathy for the strikers either dont forget. tried to fek up Christmas, failed, turned to Easter. WOrse possible tactics from the Union quite frankly.

It's not just that, but most people think of it as a glamorous job and one that is well paid to boot. The general public is never going to be sympathetic towards people that they're envious off.

Exactly, and if they dont bloody well like it, theres hudrends of staff on 'no thrills' airlines that would just dream of landing a BA role. They really dont know when they've got it good.

[southendpier]

willy wash your plonker

[JacksHereR]

southendpier said:

willy wash your plonker

^ seven mins too late

[7thCircleAcolyte]

Willie's the man! Unite have shot themselves in the foot, reloaded, and shot the other one.

The only way the strikers should get their perks back is when they sign a no-strike contract or one that prohibits union membership.

Its not just the City behind him but the whole country. We've had enough of these communist dinosaurs pushing the country around for the last 13 years and it is absolutely the time for change.

[Busa_Rush]

7thCircleAcolyte said:

Its not just the City behind him but the whole country. We've had enough of these communist dinosaurs pushing the country around for the last 13 years and it is absolutely the time for change.

+2^42

[ninja-lewis]

oyster said:

Now you've taken away the travel perks permanently from those who participated in the first BA strike, what ammunition have you got left to encourage them against taking part in the second strike tomorrow, or any subsequent strikes?

Surely it would have been better to have said to the strikers that you can have your perks back after 6 months IF you take part in no further strikes.

Not really. The Cabin Crew who did turn up last weekend want to see that the strikers are punished permanently. There will also be many cabin crew who have not yet had to make the decision to go in or strike. And lastly, the damage has already been done - it doesn't really matter whether the strikes are called off or not now.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Stick them in the Crossroads Motel rather than the Marriott Downtown or the Shangri-La and see how they like that.

[F i F]

ninja-lewis said:

oyster said:

Now you've taken away the travel perks permanently from those who participated in the first BA strike, what ammunition have you got left to encourage them against taking part in the second strike tomorrow, or any subsequent strikes?

Surely it would have been better to have said to the strikers that you can have your perks back after 6 months IF you take part in no further strikes.

Not really. The Cabin Crew who did turn up last weekend want to see that the strikers are punished permanently. There will also be many cabin crew who have not yet had to make the decision to go in or strike. And lastly, the damage has already been done - it doesn't really matter whether the strikes are called off or not now.

Correct, he has stopped the rot, I think there will be no more, or very very few people who will choose to join the picket lines.

The union has been proven, independently and by BA to have been misrepresenting the facts, independantly proveable facts.
When there is a war of words on what has been done and what has been said between the two parties who will the public and the Govt now believe? Hint:- It isn't Unite.

Ref Willies interview on the TV this morning. He is capitalising on this position and the timing is blistering.

The staff are now in the position that they will realise they have been lied to by their own union, very well paid union.

At one pointI thought, and expressed it on the other BA/Unite thread, that this would result in them both ripping each other apart, now, rather in the manner of the Test Match Hawkeye predictor, I reckon Unite are 8 wickets down in their first innings and facing a potential follow on, i.e. it's not over by a long way but Freddie Flintoff hasn't yet bowled a ball.

The way the City and some of the public are behind BA, it may be that after the coming weekend Woodley and co will be following through rather than following on.