40 Dead in Moscow Blasts.
Discussion
Looks like the trouble is brewing here again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8592190.stm
Not much news at the moment and there isn't a great deal being reported in the local media. I use Lubyanka station everytime I get the train into the city and it will have been busy around 8am.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8592190.stm
Not much news at the moment and there isn't a great deal being reported in the local media. I use Lubyanka station everytime I get the train into the city and it will have been busy around 8am.
Fittster said:
Don said:
Poor blighters. 
It really is "the world" vs "the nutters" these days.
No one should die just for going to work in the morning.
If by nutters you mean the populations of Chechnya or maybe Georgia they have suffered quite a lot from the world/RussiaIt really is "the world" vs "the nutters" these days.
No one should die just for going to work in the morning.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
Don said:
No. I mean people willing to strap explosives to themselves and set them off in places crowded with innocent civilians.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
I agree with Don. Regardless of politics, grievances, etc, I hope that the Russians find out for certain who is behind this and do whatever it takes to stop it from happening again (and, of course, eliminate whatever idiots planned and sponsored this as well).It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
ErnestM said:
Don said:
No. I mean people willing to strap explosives to themselves and set them off in places crowded with innocent civilians.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
I agree with Don. Regardless of politics, grievances, etc, I hope that the Russians find out for certain who is behind this and do whatever it takes to stop it from happening again (and, of course, eliminate whatever idiots planned and sponsored this as well).It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
Fittster said:
ErnestM said:
Don said:
No. I mean people willing to strap explosives to themselves and set them off in places crowded with innocent civilians.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
I agree with Don. Regardless of politics, grievances, etc, I hope that the Russians find out for certain who is behind this and do whatever it takes to stop it from happening again (and, of course, eliminate whatever idiots planned and sponsored this as well).It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
terrible but if you kill someones son / father dont be surprised at retribution. what i can never understand with these suicde bombers is why they waste their life with a crap target - at least go to a rally with the president / footy game etc etc. guess terrorists arent that bright.
loltolhurst said:
terrible but if you kill someones son / father dont be surprised at retribution. what i can never understand with these suicde bombers is why they waste their life with a crap target - at least go to a rally with the president / footy game etc etc. guess terrorists arent that bright.
It's actually a bloody good target. Moscow is a city of about 22 million. More than 5 million use the Metro daily.Closing the Metro brings Moscow to a virtual halt.
Quaint said:
Fittster said:
ErnestM said:
Don said:
No. I mean people willing to strap explosives to themselves and set them off in places crowded with innocent civilians.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
I agree with Don. Regardless of politics, grievances, etc, I hope that the Russians find out for certain who is behind this and do whatever it takes to stop it from happening again (and, of course, eliminate whatever idiots planned and sponsored this as well).It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
Fittster said:
Quaint said:
Fittster said:
ErnestM said:
Don said:
No. I mean people willing to strap explosives to themselves and set them off in places crowded with innocent civilians.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
I agree with Don. Regardless of politics, grievances, etc, I hope that the Russians find out for certain who is behind this and do whatever it takes to stop it from happening again (and, of course, eliminate whatever idiots planned and sponsored this as well).It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
Quaint said:
Fittster said:
Quaint said:
Fittster said:
ErnestM said:
Don said:
No. I mean people willing to strap explosives to themselves and set them off in places crowded with innocent civilians.
It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
I agree with Don. Regardless of politics, grievances, etc, I hope that the Russians find out for certain who is behind this and do whatever it takes to stop it from happening again (and, of course, eliminate whatever idiots planned and sponsored this as well).It doesn't matter what idealogy or grievance anyone has - I take the view that this behaviour cannot be justified.
Fittster said:
"Which, this being Russia, is likely to be fairly brutal - but then, the people who planned it will be comfortable with this, I suppose"
Ah. Perhaps I should have been clearer: if they catch the people responsible, I imagine that the Russian justice system will punish them very harshly, even by the standards of Western countries which lock people up without charge for unspecified lengths of time, like us.I suspect you took my original to mean that I advocate military reprisals, which I do not.
Of course, the genius of such terrorism is that it makes military action very hard to avoid, because the government of the country against whose citizens the acts are perpetrated will be under massive domestic pressure to Do Something. Sadly, since the principal offensive arms of a legitimate government are its military forces, this usually means military action (see also: Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza) which does nothing other than push the terrorist perpetrators closer to the political domination they crave. After such an attack, a government is damned if it does, and just as damned if it doesn't.
Put it another way: I doubt the objective of these attacks (whoever is responsible) was to drag the Russians to a negotiating table...
[Edited for spolling]
Edited by Quaint on Monday 29th March 13:54
I agree with Quaint on all points.
Politics be damned. Without getting into the geopolitics, this attack took planning, financial support and logistical support. Find those that did all three and remove them from the equation. Use judicial means if possible, but just make sure they can't do it again.
Politics be damned. Without getting into the geopolitics, this attack took planning, financial support and logistical support. Find those that did all three and remove them from the equation. Use judicial means if possible, but just make sure they can't do it again.
Quaint said:
Fittster said:
"Which, this being Russia, is likely to be fairly brutal - but then, the people who planned it will be comfortable with this, I suppose"
Ah. Perhaps I should have been clearer: if they catch the people responsible, I imagine that the Russian justice system will punish them very harshly, even by the standards of Western countries which lock people up without charge for unspecified lengths of time, like us.I suspect you took my original to mean that I advocate military reprisals, which I do not.
Of course, the genius of such terrorism is that it makes military action very hard to avoid, because the government of the country against whose citizens the acts are perpetrated will be under massive domestic pressure to Do Something. Sadly, since the principal offensive arms of a legitimate government are its military forces, this usually means military action (see also: Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza) which does nothing other than push the terrorist perpetrators closer to the political domination they crave. After such an attack, a government is damned if it does, and just as damned if it doesn't.
Put it another way: I doubt the objective of these attacks (whoever is responsible) was to drag the Russians to a negotiating table...
[Edited for spolling]
Edited by Quaint on Monday 29th March 13:54
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