Revs take a while to settle to tickover on 500
Revs take a while to settle to tickover on 500
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starmist

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1,052 posts

266 months

Saturday 21st February 2004
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Sorry, I'm being a real pain but I've only just discovered this Forum and a whole underworld of PEOPLE LIKE ME so I've got a flood of questions to ask . My car runs at around 1500rpm when I stop, and takes 10 - 15 seconds to settle to 800rpm. I suspect this is the throttle position sensor out ot position. Does this seem plausible, or can anyone think of anything else (there's plenty of slack in the throttle cable, which I changed two weeks ago - what a polaver. I'm now a qualified gynocologist!)

beano500

20,854 posts

299 months

Saturday 21st February 2004
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"They all do that, Sir"



Welcome aboard!

It's a common occurence for me - and I've been running a Griff for over 3 years (50,000 miles). I often find that it coincides with a drop in the coolant level. Sometimes low oil - bearing in mind that it is acceptable for the engine to consume more than your average Eurobox. Have also had issues with the connectors for the ECU being corroded and needing a good clean up.

In layman's terms, if the ECU is given a piece of duff info it's trained to do what it thinks is the right thing - be that coolant temperature or whatever - hence it does what it thinks right to keep the engine ticking over and warming up!

Big Al.

69,332 posts

282 months

Saturday 21st February 2004
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and welcome to the asylum.

Have you cleaned the stepper motor, and given it a shot of WD40?

It may help in your diagnosis.

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

284 months

Saturday 21st February 2004
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Yep, sounds like the stepper motor doing it's job to well. It lives on the back of the plenum.

Al, I didn't know you could lube them though. Do you unbolt them and squirt in some WD40?

simpo two

91,439 posts

289 months

Saturday 21st February 2004
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Coincidentally mine did this today, but when starting from cold Suggest you keep an eye on it and only get concerned if it gets worse.

Big Al.

69,332 posts

282 months

Saturday 21st February 2004
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boosted ls1 said:
Yep, sounds like the stepper motor doing it's job to well. It lives on the back of the plenum.

Al, I didn't know you could lube them though. Do you unbolt them and squirt in some WD40?


That's about it, unplug, unscrew, bit of a clean.
I use 0000 wire wool.

Squirt of WD40 both ends.

Screw back in position by hand and nip up! If you need to improve the seal wrap thread with a couple of winds of PTFE tape.

Takes about 10 minutes to do.

BTW be careful of the fibre washer it's a bit fragile!

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

284 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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Thanks Al.

I had one here recently that stuck at nearly 3k rpm in the really cold weather.

GreenV8S

30,999 posts

308 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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Could be a dirty stepper motor, or a faulty road speed sensor?

jigs

1,840 posts

274 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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In my experience it's normal for them to hold onto the revs for a couple of seconds after you come to a halt before settling down to normal idle revs. If you're still moving even very very slowly it will hold onto revs - it will only drop a couple of seconds after you're at a complete halt. Something to do with the speed sensor and ECU settings.

starmist

Original Poster:

1,052 posts

266 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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Mmm. Did a 280 mile round trip to the folks this weekend (ON DRY ROADS!!). If anything it's getting a little worse. Is the stepper motor the bit opposite the throttle spindle on the other side of the plenum intake?

simpo two

91,439 posts

289 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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Now where's that pic of a shiny stepper motor?

Maybe time to get the Steve Heath bible....!

jigs

1,840 posts

274 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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May I suggest you clean the stepper motor and also reset your ECU (switch off/disconnect/wait 5mins/reconnect).

joospeed

4,473 posts

302 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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if it's geting worse there's likely something changing, however this is correct stepper motor function .. when you're moving, the speed sender sends a signal to the ecu, it retracts the stepper motor so that when you lift your foot off the throttle the inlet vacuum doesn't go as high as it might otherwise do with the stepper closed off, this is good for keeping fuel on the inlet manifold port runners rather than letting it suddenly all vapourise with the massive pressure drop. it's an emmisions control / driveability control issue and if your revs don't stay high for a few seconds you have something wrong .. so a factory source who should know about these things told me once!

Big Al.

69,332 posts

282 months

Sunday 22nd February 2004
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simpo two said:
Now where's that pic of a shiny stepper motor?

Maybe time to get the Steve Heath bible....!


How's about this one?

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

284 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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Sorry Al, but you need a better picture Stand further away.

Big Al.

69,332 posts

282 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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boosted ls1 said:
Sorry Al, but you need a better picture Stand further away.


How's this

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starmist

Original Poster:

1,052 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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I can see the throttle cable and the pluggy inny thingy you have to unplug to lift the plenum off. Is that the stepper motor?

I'm just wondering if it had anything to do with me changing the throttle cable the other week. (There is definitly slack in the cable, in case anyone was thinking of suggesting that,) but I had to unplug that connector in the piccie to lift up the plenum to get at the throttle cable adjuster nuts, etc.

Might it be an air leak into the plenum after the throttle butterfly, perhaps caused by a dodgy seal on the plenum lid?

steve-v8s

2,924 posts

272 months

Monday 23rd February 2004
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I think it is normal for the revs to stay high by 2-300 for a few seconds after you have stopped moving. One of the inputs to the ECU is a road speed sensor. It keeps the revs up slightly while the car is moving. My Griff does the same as did the V8s.

snorky

2,322 posts

275 months

Tuesday 24th February 2004
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Yes starmist that's it - look at Big Als first piccy - that black thing in the middle of the piccy is the stepper motor. Unplug the lead from the back of it. Unscrew it ( carefully - it's plastic ) and the clean all the crap off it. WD40 it, screw it back in - nip it up, plug the lead back in - bonnet shut, start car, go for long blast.....easy

>> Edited by snorky on Tuesday 24th February 11:41

starmist

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266 months

Tuesday 24th February 2004
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Thanks Snorky. I'll try that.