Car scrappage scheme 'saved 4,000 UK jobs'
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr...
It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
gingerpaul said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr...
It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
I wonder how the US scheme did in comparison. It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
Frankeh said:
gingerpaul said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr...
It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
I wonder how the US scheme did in comparison. It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
gingerpaul said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr...
It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
You forgot about the VAT.It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
And assuming it did boost Korean engineering. You do know we're in a globalised economy? If Korea is performing badly, then it affects other countries too.
gingerpaul said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/tr...
It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
It was a crazy investment, something like 80% of the cars manufactured in the UK are exported so the scrappage scheme will have had a minimal effect on the production outputs of UK factories not least because in the main the UK produces larger cars that are less popular under the scrappage scheme.It cost the government £400M, and presumably the dealers the same and the goverment only covered half of the £2k per car on offer. Mandelson says they saved 4000 UK jobs. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that equate to the government paying £100k per saved job.
Was this a wise investment? I wonder how many jobs were saved elsewhere around the world. I wonder what percentage of the money ended up supporting Korean maufacturing.
As for the jobs saved I suspect most were probably in car retail. From an economic point of view jobs in retail are not worth a penny of government money to support. Retail is entirely flexible relatively low in infrastructure requirements and with negligible intellectual property. I mean how often has the spread of goods been hed back by the lack of somebody to sell it!
The £400m would have been better spent in loan guarantees, training and R&D credits in the automotve industries.
oyster said:
You forgot about the VAT.
At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
That's a good point. Although it is impossible to know which of the sales would have gone through anyway, I suspect looking at it that way, it wasn't such a bad idea...At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
louiebaby said:
oyster said:
You forgot about the VAT.
At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
That's a good point. Although it is impossible to know which of the sales would have gone through anyway, I suspect looking at it that way, it wasn't such a bad idea...At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
dilbert said:
louiebaby said:
oyster said:
You forgot about the VAT.
At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
That's a good point. Although it is impossible to know which of the sales would have gone through anyway, I suspect looking at it that way, it wasn't such a bad idea...At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
This VAT income wouldn't have existed if it hadn't been for the scrappage scheme.
I'm sure some purchases under the scrappage scheme would have happened already but looking at the car sales figuers and large majority of them were NEW sales.
oyster said:
dilbert said:
louiebaby said:
oyster said:
You forgot about the VAT.
At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
That's a good point. Although it is impossible to know which of the sales would have gone through anyway, I suspect looking at it that way, it wasn't such a bad idea...At last year's 15% rate, the government actually made a profit for each scrappage scheme vehicle costing more than £6,667. The scheme basically paid for itself.
The 4,000 jobs are pure profit.
This VAT income wouldn't have existed if it hadn't been for the scrappage scheme.
I'm sure some purchases under the scrappage scheme would have happened already but looking at the car sales figuers and large majority of them were NEW sales.
patmahe said:
Frankeh said:
Negative Creep said:
so what happens when the used car market is flooded by Korean economy cars?
The AA get less calls? 
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