END OF SCRAPPAGE THOUGHTS ON THIS SCHEME

[gary11]

I view it (scrappage) probably wrongly as a cynical ploy by the government motivated by in the main tax grab under the fake umbrella of saving the enviroment.
Also cynicaly encouraging people to get into debt (we all know where that has got us)as some 70% of car purchases are on some form of finance,one further point it seems a shame some good cars with a fair bit of usefull life left have been consigned to the crusher.I cant wait for the output figures for this first quarter now VAT is back up scrappage is gone and a few other props have been taken from under the "recovery"!

[J500ANT]

gary11 said:

I view it (scrappage) probably wrongly as a cynical ploy by the government motivated by in the main tax grab under the fake umbrella of saving the enviroment.

Did any of the government stuff mention about saving the environment? I dont recall that it did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8595597.stm

[MarkwG]

J500ANT said:

gary11 said:

I view it (scrappage) probably wrongly as a cynical ploy by the government motivated by in the main tax grab under the fake umbrella of saving the enviroment.

Did any of the government stuff mention about saving the environment? I dont recall that it did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8595597.stm

- under the disguise of "reducing CO2": old cars must emit more, so buy a new one, quickly etc etc.

[Negative Creep]

so will new car sales plummet now? Plus will the nearly new car market become saturated as people find they can't actually afford their new cars? Still, at least we can sleep safely at night knowing that building and shipping thousands of cars over from Korea will stop us dying of climate change.

[gary11]

J500ANT said:

gary11 said:

I view it (scrappage) probably wrongly as a cynical ploy by the government motivated by in the main tax grab under the fake umbrella of saving the enviroment.

Did any of the government stuff mention about saving the environment? I dont recall that it did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8595597.stm

Er yes the whole ethos was to scrap high polluting old cars, in the event the very old bangers are still on the road as the owners wont be able to afford a new car and the 2k scrappers many of which had years of life left in them have been crushed,their old owners having purchased new cars which IMO only they wont be able to afford time will tell.

[cardigankid]

gary11 said:

I view it (scrappage) probably wrongly as a cynical ploy by the government motivated by in the main tax grab under the fake umbrella of saving the enviroment. Also cynically encouraging people to get into debt...

I sympathise but I don't agree.First off, finance is there for a reason, and if you can't manage your use of it you should be locked in a padded cell and left there. If I want to buy a Jag Coupe on the drip and I can, why shouldn't I?

Second, all that happened is that the Government temporarily reduced the amount of tax it is taking OUT of car buyers. In most cases the allowance was half funded by the Government with the other half coming from the manufacturer.

Third it is lunatic to penalise car manufacturers when Britain still has a very significant car industry - and it would be bigger yet were it not for Governmental mismanagement over decades. The fact that German French and Spanish manufacturers benefitted as much or more than British is something for which Britain has only itself to blame. Now they have put VAT up and imposed a showroom tax on higher value cars, as well as abolishing the Scrappage Scheme, which was probably actually making them money on increased car sales. Hammer Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Lotus, Morgan, why not destroy what is left of our proud motor industry. And while you are at it, pile on another per cent on 'National Insurance', but put in on Employer's Contribution, so the dimwitted peasants don't realise. As was said today., the last thing you do in this kind of mess is make it more expensive to take on staff - I would have another two people in my business but the N.I costs and bureaucracy make it uneconomic. How intelligent is that? I am utterly convinced that neither Gordon Brown nor Alistair Darling has any more economic understanding expertise than my Aunt Nellie's budgie. Probably less.

It is no bad thing to take scrappers off the road. Noone is going to scrap an old car that is genuinely worth keeping. Even if you got £500 for it you could probably negotiate the remaining £1500 as a straight discount for cash. I fully accept however that the Government is interested in saving their own sorry arses not the environment. If you stood all these fking bds, by whom I refer to (Dis)honourable Members of Parliament, MSP's, MEP's, Cabinet Ministers and senior Civil Servants and all their useless hangers on against a wall and shot them the country would be a great deal better off.

[gary11]

People it has been shown cannot be trusted to borrow within their means I see the clawbacks monthly,also don't forget tax discs another stealth tax imposed on the trade some large main agents are tens of thousands worse off I know personaly of several people who have scrapped good cars in the deluded belief they are getting a good deal mark my words in a month or two you will get the same deal with no p/x it's all a con!
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[FrostyCab]

My current run around is a perfect example of the maddness this scrapage scheme has brought about!

My brother is in the trade and got hold of a "scrappage" car just before the scheme started. Guy went in with to enquire about the scheme and to offer his car.

My brother took it anyway, covered it in stickers and used it to advertise the scheme on his forecourt. the manufacture gave the guy his £2000 off a new car. I bought it off him afterwards for the massive sum of £1.

Its a low mileage, 1 owner from new 2.4 JTD HLX Fiat Marea weekend, does around 50 mpg and doesn't strike me as an ungreen car! Its not exactly thrilling but not a bad old bus and in pretty good nick. This would have gone to the crusher if the guy had been a few weeks later!

[fastfuse]

I work at a main dealer, and i've got to say that despite the questionable (at best) enviromental benefits, the scheme did seem to help out the car trade. We did see a lot of people buying cars who had no intention of doing so before scrappage was introduced. The downside is we scrapped some truly beautiful cars, ones that probably would have outlived the cars they where traded in for....

[cardigankid]

gary11 said:

People it has been shown cannot be trusted to borrow within their means I see the clawbacks monthly

OK maybe the rules should be a little tighter, but availability of finance for those who can afford it helps both them and the motor trade. I find it hard to believe how genuinely good cars could be scrapped - if it is good it must have a value. The seller only wants £2k off, and by definition that sort of deal applies to the list price not the cash price - maybe someone in the trade could explain how one comes to scrapping a car worth keeping?

[gary11]

cardigankid said:

gary11 said:

People it has been shown cannot be trusted to borrow within their means I see the clawbacks monthly

OK maybe the rules should be a little tighter, but availability of finance for those who can afford it helps both them and the motor trade. I find it hard to believe how genuinely good cars could be scrapped - if it is good it must have a value. The seller only wants £2k off, and by definition that sort of deal applies to the list price not the cash price - maybe someone in the trade could explain how one comes to scrapping a car worth keeping?

And as per the contract scrapped they are!(if its gennuine government sponsored scrappage not the dealer variety ie since march)

[RVVUNM]

So, they've helped the banks out and sorted the motor trade, what about the building trade?