VW GOLF - GTI or GT TDI?
Discussion
Hi guys. Im looking at getting a new car in next couple of months. What are everyones thoughts on either a golf gti or gti tdi?
Ive been looking at 2001 - 2003 plates - the tdi 115, 130 and 150 engines and also the petrol 1.8 turbo 180, or v5 or v6 engines.
Budget is about 4 - 5k.. I do motorway miles mostly but want something with a bit of power and economy so at the min leaning towards the diesels..
Also looked at seat ibiza FR diesels as they are the same car (and slightly cheaper) although there are not many around for my budget as far as I can see.
Anyones thoughts are appreciated!!
Ive been looking at 2001 - 2003 plates - the tdi 115, 130 and 150 engines and also the petrol 1.8 turbo 180, or v5 or v6 engines.
Budget is about 4 - 5k.. I do motorway miles mostly but want something with a bit of power and economy so at the min leaning towards the diesels..
Also looked at seat ibiza FR diesels as they are the same car (and slightly cheaper) although there are not many around for my budget as far as I can see.
Anyones thoughts are appreciated!!
The Ibiza is equivalent to the Polo...
Look at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's s
t (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).
Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
Look at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's s
t (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
Republik said:
Massively depends what you want. TDI's will do 50 mpg+, whereas the V6 will see you in the low 20's.
Im stuck really - I want a bit of power full stop - I sometime drive my dads 2.5 V6 diesel and it is v economical yet so smooth and torquey! But I went out in my friends BMW e46 323 recently and it was same performance but sounded 1000 x better.Sense would say I should go for the diesels, but my heart wants a petrol! Decisions decisions..
james_tigerwoods said:
The Ibiza is equivalent to the Polo...
Look at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's st (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).
Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
Sorry yeh just realised I ballsed that up! Why do u think the FR is sLook at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's s
t (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
t? As much info is greatly appreciated as I really want to research this before buying as I will keep this car for the next 2 - 3 years from now on..rharris21 said:
Republik said:
Massively depends what you want. TDI's will do 50 mpg+, whereas the V6 will see you in the low 20's.
Im stuck really - I want a bit of power full stop - I sometime drive my dads 2.5 V6 diesel and it is v economical yet so smooth and torquey! But I went out in my friends BMW e46 323 recently and it was same performance but sounded 1000 x better.Sense would say I should go for the diesels, but my heart wants a petrol! Decisions decisions..
Groober said:
The 150 gt tdi is a really good car and by good thats all it is.
Imo none of the mk4 golf range is particualy exciting with the exception of the R32.
I would go for the 150 tdi in your situation.
NOPE!!! I used to have an 04 plate GT TDI 130 and a mate thought he'd go one better and get a 150. This was against ALL advice to him from both dealers and mates - he went through 4 turbo's before VW did a rebuild for him - then went through another 2 turbos!!!Imo none of the mk4 golf range is particualy exciting with the exception of the R32.
I would go for the 150 tdi in your situation.
This is no joke - the turbo WILL blow on it!!
Out of that choice I'd go for the 130 diesel engine in either a Leon or a Golf. My choice would be the Leon.
For around £300 you can get it mapped to 170 and it's a lot more discreet than the 150s. I do really like the diesel Leon Cupra but you have to pay an extra premium for that one.
Don't think I would have that model of Golf GTi as it just shouldn't be wearing the GTi badge. At least the Leon Cupra T was only ever a warm hatch and still had the R above it with a decent level of power.
The performance difference between the 1.8t and the 'warm' diesels in either Golf or Leon don't seem worth it to me for the extra fuel costs. I'm saying that even after owning a Cupra T and absolutely loving it.
For around £300 you can get it mapped to 170 and it's a lot more discreet than the 150s. I do really like the diesel Leon Cupra but you have to pay an extra premium for that one.
Don't think I would have that model of Golf GTi as it just shouldn't be wearing the GTi badge. At least the Leon Cupra T was only ever a warm hatch and still had the R above it with a decent level of power.
The performance difference between the 1.8t and the 'warm' diesels in either Golf or Leon don't seem worth it to me for the extra fuel costs. I'm saying that even after owning a Cupra T and absolutely loving it.
rharris21 said:
Im stuck really - I want a bit of power full stop - I sometime drive my dads 2.5 V6 diesel and it is v economical yet so smooth and torquey!
The PD lumps in the Mk4 Golf won't be smooth - you'll get a massive torque lump at 1500rpm trailing to nothing by 3000rpm.Even the 2.0TDi-170 has bugger all power above 3000rpm, and it's the last of the PD lumps.
Republik said:
JB! said:
trying not to sound like a broken record... but a fabia VRS???
130pd tdi lumps.
or a 130 golf, the 150's snap camshafts.
Fabia vRS if you want the 130 diesel. Octavia vRS if you want the 1.8 turbo petrol.130pd tdi lumps.
or a 130 golf, the 150's snap camshafts.
there are LOTS of cars in the vag range with the 20vt lump, power from 156-225 bhp in standard trim.
inman999 said:
I'd get the 130hp and get it mapped if you want a bit more grunt.
My last Bora was a Revo mapped 115pd, it made 169bhp and four buckets of torque (can't remember the figure but it seemed very healthy) when put on the rollers, it made power a bit further into the rev range too which was nice. For a 1.9 diesel it was pretty quick. From reading around it looks like the 115's map to around the same power as the mapped 130's, both seem much more reliable than a 150. Personally I would look for a nicely specced 3 door 115/130 GT TDI and then have it mapped and maybe look to uprate the ARB's and springs to make it handle a bit better.
Edit - a friend has a Ibiza 160bhp Cupra TDI (about a 55 plate maybe?), comes with massive brembos and a decent sized FMIC, now it's mapped it's really quick, suprised a few of us on a trip to the 'ring last summer. Only negative things to say about it (and other sporty Seats) is that the ride is really hard and the interior plastics feel quite cheap (especially compared to a Mk4 golf).
Edited by Rob Crutch on Thursday 1st April 13:45
Edited by Rob Crutch on Thursday 1st April 13:47
rharris21 said:
james_tigerwoods said:
The Ibiza is equivalent to the Polo...
Look at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's st (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).
Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
Sorry yeh just realised I ballsed that up! Why do u think the FR is sLook at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's s
t (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
t? As much info is greatly appreciated as I really want to research this before buying as I will keep this car for the next 2 - 3 years from now on..http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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james_tigerwoods said:
rharris21 said:
james_tigerwoods said:
The Ibiza is equivalent to the Polo...
Look at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's st (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).
Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
Sorry yeh just realised I ballsed that up! Why do u think the FR is sLook at the Mk1 Leon, it's a decent car - but not the FR Diesel as it's s
t (IMHO). The Petrol Cupra, 1.8T, FR, etc are supposed to be pretty good (minor fettling required apparently).Stick with the 115, 130 and 150 Golf diesels if you do and avoid the older 90 and 110s as they are the older engine.
Consider a Bora if you want more car for your money though....
t? As much info is greatly appreciated as I really want to research this before buying as I will keep this car for the next 2 - 3 years from now on..http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
(Page 3 of this thread - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... )
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