Say goodbye to the Internet
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It's the first I've heard of this and it's almost gone through parliament. As is always the case (like anti terrorist laws used for everything but the kitchen sink) I'm sure this law will be used with discretion lol.
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/
And of course the dark lord and government tv is involved:
http://www.out-law.com/page-10890
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/stop-bbc-...
To top it off we're having to pay a telephone tax so that we can have super fast broadband to browse through government policed websites.
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/
And of course the dark lord and government tv is involved:
http://www.out-law.com/page-10890
http://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/stop-bbc-...
To top it off we're having to pay a telephone tax so that we can have super fast broadband to browse through government policed websites.
Yep, I'd heard about that and it's been discussed on a few other forums, including one run by my ISP. They (ISPs) aren't too keen on the bill and the techies I've seen have all said it's impractical. But of course our gubbinment never bothers with technical details and just barge ahead anyway. When I first saw it, it just looked like another Mandelson "favour" to the music/film industry.
One thing that does strike me is that anyone who d/loads a lot of stuff, legal or otherwise, will have a premium internet connection and pay a premium price. If they get cut off due to implementation of this bill or simply decide not to bother as the publicity rises, then I can see ISP incomes dropping people opt for the cheapest package. For example - I d/l TV series because it seems easier than recording them myself, so I'd be a target based upon my monthly bandwidth. But if I stopped because of the hassle, then I don't need to pay £20/month for email and browsing a few forums, I can do that on £10/month. And although they don't admit it openly, the ISPs are fully aware of that.
One thing that does strike me is that anyone who d/loads a lot of stuff, legal or otherwise, will have a premium internet connection and pay a premium price. If they get cut off due to implementation of this bill or simply decide not to bother as the publicity rises, then I can see ISP incomes dropping people opt for the cheapest package. For example - I d/l TV series because it seems easier than recording them myself, so I'd be a target based upon my monthly bandwidth. But if I stopped because of the hassle, then I don't need to pay £20/month for email and browsing a few forums, I can do that on £10/month. And although they don't admit it openly, the ISPs are fully aware of that.
CrashTD said:
The website said:
banning websites accused of copyright infringment by copyright holders.

Arnold The Bat said:
CrashTD said:
The website said:
banning websites accused of copyright infringment by copyright holders.

It's surely going to be an own goal. It's going to lead to an arms race of encryption, it'll make decent encryption available to everyone, and consequently make the job GCHQ, MI5 anti-terrorist police that much more difficult in dealing with the things that really matter when it comes to monitoring online activity. Good work by the government again!
Magog said:
It's surely going to be an own goal. It's going to lead to an arms race of encryption, it'll make decent encryption available to everyone, and consequently make the job GCHQ, MI5 anti-terrorist police that much more difficult in dealing with the things that really matter when it comes to monitoring online activity. Good work by the government again!
Indeed, if this goes through then I will be investing in the Pirate Bay's internet connection encrypting service. Called iPredator I believe. Bassicly it encrypts you connection and routes everything through their server...of which they keep no logs of your activity on.Magog said:
It's surely going to be an own goal. It's going to lead to an arms race of encryption, it'll make decent encryption available to everyone, and consequently make the job GCHQ, MI5 anti-terrorist police that much more difficult in dealing with the things that really matter when it comes to monitoring online activity. Good work by the government again!
I'm sure it will lead to more encryption, but that won't matter in the context of this bill. All that matters is for the ISP to monitor your monthly d/l which they can do that regardless of if it's encrypted or not. Once they know someone uses, say, 10/20/30/100GB a month then it would trigger an alarm, and that person's details could be passed on to an enforcement body if requested or made a legal requirement. Apart from losing income because customers pack in d/loading and switch to cheaper products, or switch ISPs to one with a more lenient informant policy, the ISPs don't want the legal requirement of identifying potential copyright infringement. I think they would know if it's on p2p, usenet, http or ftp channels but not what you've actually downloaded without a lot of work. For example, someone watching iPlayer all day would use more bandwidth than someone grabbing the latest copy of Ashes to Ashes from usenet or a d/l site. One is legal, one technically isn't, but the iPlayer watcher might trigger the alarm and warrant investigation ?
But my understanding of the bill (admittedly from forum gossip) is that it would allow a copyright holder to investigate you, come inside your house and have a poke around, etc. That's the insidious part, they don't have to have proof of a specific infringement before they get to do the big brother thing, just that you've used more bandwidth than normal, or a lot of bandwidth on a specific channel.
Any claims of anti-terrorism benefits are complete twaddle, your average bomber isn't going to send a DVD of how to make your bomb to his mates. The terrorist communications may well be encrypted but will pass well under this radar, this is aimed purely at people d/loading music, or more likely films.
b2hbm said:
Magog said:
It's surely going to be an own goal. It's going to lead to an arms race of encryption, it'll make decent encryption available to everyone, and consequently make the job GCHQ, MI5 anti-terrorist police that much more difficult in dealing with the things that really matter when it comes to monitoring online activity. Good work by the government again!
I'm sure it will lead to more encryption, but that won't matter in the context of this bill. All that matters is for the ISP to monitor your monthly d/l which they can do that regardless of if it's encrypted or not. Once they know someone uses, say, 10/20/30/100GB a month then it would trigger an alarm, and that person's details could be passed on to an enforcement body if requested or made a legal requirement. Apart from losing income because customers pack in d/loading and switch to cheaper products, or switch ISPs to one with a more lenient informant policy, the ISPs don't want the legal requirement of identifying potential copyright infringement. I think they would know if it's on p2p, usenet, http or ftp channels but not what you've actually downloaded without a lot of work. For example, someone watching iPlayer all day would use more bandwidth than someone grabbing the latest copy of Ashes to Ashes from usenet or a d/l site. One is legal, one technically isn't, but the iPlayer watcher might trigger the alarm and warrant investigation ?
But my understanding of the bill (admittedly from forum gossip) is that it would allow a copyright holder to investigate you, come inside your house and have a poke around, etc. That's the insidious part, they don't have to have proof of a specific infringement before they get to do the big brother thing, just that you've used more bandwidth than normal, or a lot of bandwidth on a specific channel.
Any claims of anti-terrorism benefits are complete twaddle, your average bomber isn't going to send a DVD of how to make your bomb to his mates. The terrorist communications may well be encrypted but will pass well under this radar, this is aimed purely at people d/loading music, or more likely films.
Aside from needing to download the occasional Linux image, I don't need a fast internet connection apart from the odd TV episode.
If a bill like this came in, I would probably cancel my landline entirely and just get a broadband dongle. I don't really use the internet apart from for forum browsing and emails otherwise.
Total own goal. I reckon broadband suppliers would go down overnight if everyone reduced their packages to 512k download or lower. I could survive happily on 256k to be honest.
If a bill like this came in, I would probably cancel my landline entirely and just get a broadband dongle. I don't really use the internet apart from for forum browsing and emails otherwise.
Total own goal. I reckon broadband suppliers would go down overnight if everyone reduced their packages to 512k download or lower. I could survive happily on 256k to be honest.
ymwoods said:
Magog said:
It's surely going to be an own goal. It's going to lead to an arms race of encryption, it'll make decent encryption available to everyone, and consequently make the job GCHQ, MI5 anti-terrorist police that much more difficult in dealing with the things that really matter when it comes to monitoring online activity. Good work by the government again!
Indeed, if this goes through then I will be investing in the Pirate Bay's internet connection encrypting service. Called iPredator I believe. Bassicly it encrypts you connection and routes everything through their server...of which they keep no logs of your activity on.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff



