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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8599485.stm
I've just watched some spotty little geek being interviewed on News 24 & defending the rights of kids to be part of interview panels for teachers applying for higher positions within schools. The little s
t (a member of the yoof parliament or what ever it's called) had the audacity to refer to his fellow sprogs as "customers" of the education system. Well done sonny for latching on to American management speak, however a customer is someone who’s paid for something. Clearly, therefore you are not a customer so shut up, get your homework done then fk off up to your room on your Play station until bedtime.
I've just watched some spotty little geek being interviewed on News 24 & defending the rights of kids to be part of interview panels for teachers applying for higher positions within schools. The little s
t (a member of the yoof parliament or what ever it's called) had the audacity to refer to his fellow sprogs as "customers" of the education system. Well done sonny for latching on to American management speak, however a customer is someone who’s paid for something. Clearly, therefore you are not a customer so shut up, get your homework done then fk off up to your room on your Play station until bedtime.I'm sure it can be taken too far, but personally I don't see why it's a bad idea if done correctly - seems fairly obvious that if the kids have some concessions that make them enjoy school more they may just make more effort and learn more.
Of course there have to be limits to this i.e. the stuff about "Humpty Dumpty" and "Red Shoes" is just crazy so it's the implementation that's flawed more than the idea.
Last time I went to my doctors there were at least half a dozen middle-aged women sitting nattering behind the counter - I'd love an "interview" to find out precisely what the fk they were employed to do.
Of course there have to be limits to this i.e. the stuff about "Humpty Dumpty" and "Red Shoes" is just crazy so it's the implementation that's flawed more than the idea.
Last time I went to my doctors there were at least half a dozen middle-aged women sitting nattering behind the counter - I'd love an "interview" to find out precisely what the f
k they were employed to do.Children are at school to not be customers but to be socialised. If kids could socialise themselves we would have no need for adults to do it. Adults need to show them the path...lead, not treat them as customers.
It's more Politically-correct madness. It's almost as ideologically deranged as the Soviets.
It's more Politically-correct madness. It's almost as ideologically deranged as the Soviets.
BonzoGuinness said:
7mike said:
a customer is someone who’s paid for something.
Well with a good education he'll be better placed finanically to pay for his share of it in the future? 
deevlash said:
his parents have paid for it via taxes though.
That's fine, let them have some say then. Although the assumption that the parents have paid tax is somewhat flawed. Particulary in parts of Liverpool where they're now into the third generation of permanent unemployed.deevlash said:
Itd be good if teaching took on some of the business worlds thinking, such as sacking st people.
Instead of allowing pupils to decide who is their favorite. Just think, if BA followed current education practice Willy Walsh would have been given the elbow years ago.t people.7mike said:
deevlash said:
his parents have paid for it via taxes though.
That's fine, let them have some say then. Although the assumption that the parents have paid tax is somewhat flawed. Particulary in parts of Liverpool where they're now into the third generation of permanent unemployed.deevlash said:
Itd be good if teaching took on some of the business worlds thinking, such as sacking st people.
Instead of allowing pupils to decide who is their favorite. Just think, if BA followed current education practice Willy Walsh would have been given the elbow years ago.t people.There was suggestion in a news item that I saw about this, that the kids would choose the teacher most likely to give them the easiest time.
My daughter was interviewed by a kids panel for her current middle management job and what the kids most wanted to know is how she'd deal with disruptive children. She got the impression that if she'd suggested lining them and shooting them then the panel would have cheered!
My daughter was interviewed by a kids panel for her current middle management job and what the kids most wanted to know is how she'd deal with disruptive children. She got the impression that if she'd suggested lining them and shooting them then the panel would have cheered!
SmoothRB said:
Children are at school to not be customers but to be socialised. If kids could socialise themselves we would have no need for adults to do it. Adults need to show them the path...lead, not treat them as customers.
It's more Politically-correct madness. It's almost as ideologically deranged as the Soviets.
It's more Politically-correct madness. It's almost as ideologically deranged as the Soviets.
With many failing schools, the pupils are likely to select those perceived most likely to let the children do whatever they like.
Pupils who as yet have not achieved decent literacy and numeracy aren’t going to be well equipped to ascertain the depth of knowledge of someone who is post graduate.
Perhaps we should extend the logic that thinks this is a good idea.
Let those with criminal convictions sit on the selection board for Police officers; or convicts to select warders. Both these professions have a role in teaching ‘their clients’ and socialising them.
This is madness of the worst kind, why the hell as a society are we pandering to children like never before? Children need to be educated, looked after correctly by their families and society as they are guided towards being adults, but this is utter insanity. They are kids FFS, their opinion of the potential teacher is irrelevant, they have NO SKILLS WHATSOEVER for deciding which candidate is most suitable for the job or able to express why. This is because they are CHILDREN.
People are terrified to tell kids off in the street, kids run riot in schools because they know teachers don't hold any real power over them anymore, parents bribing teachers so little johnny gets better marks even though he's at the bottom end of the gene pool and the police powerless to give kids a clip round the ear. Medals for everyone who takes part in anykind of competition, no one loses, they're the 'last winner'. It's madness itself gone mad.
My grandfather had it right, children should be seen and not heard. I didn't think so at the time but he was onto something!
Tell you one thing though, the future will be pretty entertaining to watch. Disasterous, but entertaining nonetheless.
People are terrified to tell kids off in the street, kids run riot in schools because they know teachers don't hold any real power over them anymore, parents bribing teachers so little johnny gets better marks even though he's at the bottom end of the gene pool and the police powerless to give kids a clip round the ear. Medals for everyone who takes part in anykind of competition, no one loses, they're the 'last winner'. It's madness itself gone mad.
My grandfather had it right, children should be seen and not heard. I didn't think so at the time but he was onto something!
Tell you one thing though, the future will be pretty entertaining to watch. Disasterous, but entertaining nonetheless.
As a former governor of a 1300+ secondary school we used pupil input as a small part of a two-day assessment for the head and deputy heads at various times. The head we chose is still in post and doing well from what I hear. However the notion that a +£60k post was filled on the say-so of a pupil panel is laughable and if this is happening then someone has lost the plot. Senior staff appointments are the responsibility of the governors, more junior posts are delegated to the head and senior staff.
The fact you used any pupil input during any part of the interview process for new applicants is something i find ludicrous. Children are there to learn, part of that is learning that in the big bad world, they may have to work/exist alongside people they don't like very much and had no say over whether they were hired or not. How the hell are kids ever going to deal with these situations if they are made to feel as if their (as yet immature) opinions are required before anyone get the job. Lets face it, by taking their opinions on board, they ARE a part of the decision making process.
Let your teachers teach the children and let you and the other governers and members of staff interview new applicants and decide on who to appoint. It's a novel approach but it might just work.
Let your teachers teach the children and let you and the other governers and members of staff interview new applicants and decide on who to appoint. It's a novel approach but it might just work.
neilr said:
The fact you used any pupil input during any part of the interview process for new applicants is something i find ludicrous.
The thought that teachers, who are going to have to teach children in the bullring that many classrooms have become, would be intimidated by a panel of children is ludicrous.My daughter, whom I mentioned earleir, was at our house earlier this evening and we spoke about this. Her opinion is that the kids have a much greater idea of what is going on in the school on an everyday level than the main interview panel of head/governers would do so their input is very useful.
Deva Link said:
My daughter, whom I mentioned earleir, was at our house earlier this evening and we spoke about this. Her opinion is that the kids have a much greater idea of what is going on in the school on an everyday level than the main interview panel of head/governers would do so their input is very useful.
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