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I saw an AMG G-Wagen in town a lunchtime (lovely bit of kit IMO) and walking back to the office I notice someone in here has bought themselves a Clio v6 (again, very 
). Thinking about these two compared to their natural rivals has brought me to realise how much I admire car manufacturers who think "b
ks to the competition; we're going to make and sell these anyway"
So what other cars out there have been made in the same vain? I guess Renault have quite a history of doing this (V6, Avantime, Val Satis) but I couldn't think of any others who have been made, seemingly, just for the hell of it
). Thinking about these two compared to their natural rivals has brought me to realise how much I admire car manufacturers who think "bks to the competition; we're going to make and sell these anyway"So what other cars out there have been made in the same vain? I guess Renault have quite a history of doing this (V6, Avantime, Val Satis) but I couldn't think of any others who have been made, seemingly, just for the hell of it
I'd say the M3 and M5 fit into that category. Before the M5, who needed a lightning fast track capable saloon that you could use to take your kids to school and go to that business meeting? Nobody did. You either had a fast car or a practical car.
300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
MarJay said:
I'd say the M3 and M5 fit into that category. Before the M5, who needed a lightning fast track capable saloon that you could use to take your kids to school and go to that business meeting? Nobody did. You either had a fast car or a practical car.
300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
Jaguar, for one, had been producing high performance saloons for years before BMW tried it. The mark2 would do 0-60 in 8.5 seconds in the early 60s, which was every bit as fast as the original M5 was for its era. 300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
kambites said:
MarJay said:
I'd say the M3 and M5 fit into that category. Before the M5, who needed a lightning fast track capable saloon that you could use to take your kids to school and go to that business meeting? Nobody did. You either had a fast car or a practical car.
300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
Jaguar, for one, had been producing high performance saloons for years before BMW tried it. The mark2 would do 0-60 in 8.5 seconds in the early 60s, which was every bit as fast as the original M5 was for its era. 300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
As for the topic: Avantime scores high on my list, that's why I like it.
Ah in fact this goes for a lot of big french cars. Like the C6 for example.
MarJay said:
I'd say the M3 and M5 fit into that category. Before the M5, who needed a lightning fast track capable saloon that you could use to take your kids to school and go to that business meeting? Nobody did. You either had a fast car or a practical car.
300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
Yeah shoving a big engine in a family car had never been thought of until the Germans did it...... 300bhp in a small saloon like the E36 M3 is silly, and yet they did it and it is a fantastic car. It raised the bar for all manufacturers and made something that hot hatches simply couldn't live with.
bazking69 said:
I think the Veyron is the benchmark in 'fk it, lets just do it to prove a point'.
Fair point, but surely people expect this mentality from supercar makers? it's the mainstream manufacturers who have corporate images, shareholders and run-of-the-mill cars that making up 99% of their produce I was eluding to in my OP. k it, lets just do it to prove a point'. I guess the VW Phaeton is another example; VW must have known the vast majority of the motoring public would go to BMW/Merc/Audi/Lexus for their barges, but they built the bloody thing anyway - same thing for the (utterly brilliant) C6.
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