Anyone know this car? Good price with no Nav? E39 M5
Discussion
I never usually like red cars, but I think the M5 looks neat in Imola red and this one seems pretty decent:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1559497.htm
I've not seen it in the metal, but from the looks of it it is a pre-facelift (boo!), has no Nav (double-boo!), and has been on sale for a while.
It seems to me that pre-facelift cars are hard to shift, without Nav even more so, but at the right price anything will sell.
What do you guys think? How much is reasonable for something like this?
Cheers,
FF
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1559497.htm
I've not seen it in the metal, but from the looks of it it is a pre-facelift (boo!), has no Nav (double-boo!), and has been on sale for a while.
It seems to me that pre-facelift cars are hard to shift, without Nav even more so, but at the right price anything will sell.
What do you guys think? How much is reasonable for something like this?
Cheers,
FF
On the nav, not a personally preference as such, just that I've been told that it's 'a must' for resale.
I hear the system is actually a little outdated now anyway, especially in an early E39 without the widescreen jobbie, but the other info it displays is useful.
Again, just what I've heard...
I hear the system is actually a little outdated now anyway, especially in an early E39 without the widescreen jobbie, but the other info it displays is useful.
Again, just what I've heard...
FF,
Looks like a nice one in Imola. Price is ok too. I bought mine without Nav and whilst I miss the 16:9 screen in the dash from a cosmetic point of view, I don't miss the crappy nav as a £100 TomTom is considerably better in map quality etc. Any nav that doesn't have the ability to take full 7 figure post codes is hopeless.
I've had 2 E39's now, a pre-facelift (like this one) and currently have a facelift car. To drive there is literally nothing in it. Cosmetic changes to front and rear lights and the steering wheel are just about the only tangible differences. I do understand that there were piston ring changes to reduce oil comsumption and some vanos changes to prevent the occasional noisy start up, but that's it.
If the car is good and everything checks out, I wouldn't worry about facelift or nav and at 76k it's just about run in!
When you put it next to this one, http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1565347.htm , it suddenly becomes even better value
Matt
Looks like a nice one in Imola. Price is ok too. I bought mine without Nav and whilst I miss the 16:9 screen in the dash from a cosmetic point of view, I don't miss the crappy nav as a £100 TomTom is considerably better in map quality etc. Any nav that doesn't have the ability to take full 7 figure post codes is hopeless.
I've had 2 E39's now, a pre-facelift (like this one) and currently have a facelift car. To drive there is literally nothing in it. Cosmetic changes to front and rear lights and the steering wheel are just about the only tangible differences. I do understand that there were piston ring changes to reduce oil comsumption and some vanos changes to prevent the occasional noisy start up, but that's it.
If the car is good and everything checks out, I wouldn't worry about facelift or nav and at 76k it's just about run in!
When you put it next to this one, http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1565347.htm , it suddenly becomes even better value
Matt
Facefirst said:
On the nav, not a personally preference as such, just that I've been told that it's 'a must' for resale.
- that's usually the case whilst a model is relatively new, but as the car ages, that becomes less of an issue: there are better Satnavs for sale in Argos these days, tbh.We have'nt quite reached the E30 M3 stage yet but shortly the E39 will be 2 generations old and heading towards "classic" status.
So buy on condition every single time. I know I'd rather have a minter pre facelift with no nav than a crappy badly maintained 02 facelift with nav.
How badly can facelift/non facelift nav/no nav hit the resale value of a 8 grand car.
As for oil use, yes the pre facelift motors like a drop of oil, so what? Compared to the fuel it's an irrelevance, and very few of the engines seem to let go in a big way.
If you want it go and get it.I bought a Feb 00 motor (pre facelift no nav) and have loved every mile.
So buy on condition every single time. I know I'd rather have a minter pre facelift with no nav than a crappy badly maintained 02 facelift with nav.
How badly can facelift/non facelift nav/no nav hit the resale value of a 8 grand car.
As for oil use, yes the pre facelift motors like a drop of oil, so what? Compared to the fuel it's an irrelevance, and very few of the engines seem to let go in a big way.
If you want it go and get it.I bought a Feb 00 motor (pre facelift no nav) and have loved every mile.
MattOz said:
FF,
When you put it next to this one, http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1565347.htm , it suddenly becomes even better value
Matt
Yes, especially when you look at the last photo in that one, and realise that the full service history is nothing like a full service history. When you put it next to this one, http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1565347.htm , it suddenly becomes even better value
Matt
Don't be put off by pre-face lift...I looked at loads and ended up with a pre face lift because of condition and history. I looked at some real dogs on 2001/2002 plates.....If the price is right and the car is a good one then do it. Condition and good history with a set of invoices for work completed is far more important in my eyes. You can always update the head lights and sat nav if it's important.
Imola is one of those love hate colours...I think it looks great. Go have a look and make your mind up.
Imola is one of those love hate colours...I think it looks great. Go have a look and make your mind up.
Edited by Andyt25 on Thursday 8th April 07:00
Vixpy1 said:
ArmaghMan said:
We have'nt quite reached the E30 M3 stage yet but shortly the E39 will be 2 generations old and heading towards "classic" status.
Not going to happen, simply too many of them made. MarkwG said:
obviously the e30 M3 has the sporting heritage, but I suspect pretty much any M car will become sort after eventually, it depends more on how long you're prepared to wait.
The sporting heritage is the clincher - the E30 M3 & 3.0 CSL are good examples. If I recall the 3.0 CSL was being raced even whilst the replacement 633/635 had already been out a while. AFAIK none of the M5's had great race success.Even the great looking M1 had very limited race success, although given the advantage of publicity at F1 races in the pro car series.
All special cars become sought after eventually, it's just the extent.
Good power to weight necessary
Special car good
Light car better.
limited run even better
race history wunderbar...
Hi there
just about the potential for 'classic' status...
Even though there were hundreds of thousands of E39's built it doesn't automatically mean it won't reach a classic status of some extent. Arguably, there are more E30's in existence, and those have now reached an extent of being a classic BMW. I understand of course the M variants will always have significant interest and put them in classic status much quicker than the lesser variants. E30 325i especially Sports versions are or have appreciated subtantially, I know of at least 3 full bare metal restorations that are going on right now of those, so with the E39, arguably one of the best looking designed BMW's ever, in 5 -10 years time they'll probably be regarded as a 'mild' classic If I can coin such a term!!
The E39 M5 will definitley become one of those cars which will sink to a low value for unloved examples - currently like at around £7K, and well maintained examples will be substantally higher. The Alpina variants of course will hold similar values in some years down the line.
So I'd say the E39 overall will attain a 'level' of classic status, just don't expect the 520i or 523i or 525d etc to be appreciating quite so much. The sport models, perhaps marginally so.
The E46/E39 were the last pre bangle shapes which are most recognisable and classic looking before the 'bold changes' - for that reason alone, I think they'll have interest in a decade's time.
Just my opinion of course up there! I may well of course turn out to be totally wrong!
Cheers, Dennis!
just about the potential for 'classic' status...
Even though there were hundreds of thousands of E39's built it doesn't automatically mean it won't reach a classic status of some extent. Arguably, there are more E30's in existence, and those have now reached an extent of being a classic BMW. I understand of course the M variants will always have significant interest and put them in classic status much quicker than the lesser variants. E30 325i especially Sports versions are or have appreciated subtantially, I know of at least 3 full bare metal restorations that are going on right now of those, so with the E39, arguably one of the best looking designed BMW's ever, in 5 -10 years time they'll probably be regarded as a 'mild' classic If I can coin such a term!!
The E39 M5 will definitley become one of those cars which will sink to a low value for unloved examples - currently like at around £7K, and well maintained examples will be substantally higher. The Alpina variants of course will hold similar values in some years down the line.
So I'd say the E39 overall will attain a 'level' of classic status, just don't expect the 520i or 523i or 525d etc to be appreciating quite so much. The sport models, perhaps marginally so.
The E46/E39 were the last pre bangle shapes which are most recognisable and classic looking before the 'bold changes' - for that reason alone, I think they'll have interest in a decade's time.
Just my opinion of course up there! I may well of course turn out to be totally wrong!
Cheers, Dennis!
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Yes, especially when you look at the last photo in that one, and realise that the full service history is nothing like a full service history.
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Not quite true, it doesnt have a full BMW service history. Looks like there are stamps in the right places to me.
If the quality of work at my local BMW outfit is anything to go by the value of the BMW stamp in the book is doubtful.....
S
skeeterm5 said:
If the quality of work at my local BMW outfit is anything to go by the value of the BMW stamp in the book is doubtful.....
S
If you look at it, the running in service is done at 1966 miles, the next service is then done at what looks like 30,000 miles and is an oil service, so there's one missing, there should be one at around 15,000 miles.
The next service, at what looks like 42,000 miles is also an oil service, then the next one at 54,000 miles is an oil service again, with the last one at 67,000 miles being an inspection 1.
The missing one at circa 15,000 miles should be the oil service, the 30,000 mile one should be an inspection 1, the one at 42,000 miles should be an oil service, with 54,000 miles being an inspection 2 and the last one at 67,000 being an oil service.
Thanks for all the replies.
I'm going to give the guy a call this weekend and find out some more about the car.
Has to be said - and I know it shouldn't be a concern - but the cost of fuel must at some point hit the residual values of these cars. They are meant to be mile munchers, so people looking for a weekend car may steer away and go for something like a Caterham or something. I do about 20K annually, and get a fuel allowance of 40p / mile for the first 10k, 20p / mile after that, so I might just get my fuel bill paid. I'll be picking up the tab for depreciation, maintenance etc.
Heart is ruling head at the mo...
I'm going to give the guy a call this weekend and find out some more about the car.
Has to be said - and I know it shouldn't be a concern - but the cost of fuel must at some point hit the residual values of these cars. They are meant to be mile munchers, so people looking for a weekend car may steer away and go for something like a Caterham or something. I do about 20K annually, and get a fuel allowance of 40p / mile for the first 10k, 20p / mile after that, so I might just get my fuel bill paid. I'll be picking up the tab for depreciation, maintenance etc.
Heart is ruling head at the mo...
The E39 M5 will be a classic - because in 5-10 years time - the sight and sound of that stonking great V8 burbling down the road (i say burbling - assuming its got an aftermarket exhaust upgrade!
will be contrary to all the dull 'green' boxes everyone will be chained to.
I see it being regarded much like something like a Jensen Interceptor is now - bit of a scary prospect for potential owners in terms of fuel bills (petrol will be £13.84 a gallon), but something well regarded in its day, and 'an occasion' to drive.
will be contrary to all the dull 'green' boxes everyone will be chained to.
I see it being regarded much like something like a Jensen Interceptor is now - bit of a scary prospect for potential owners in terms of fuel bills (petrol will be £13.84 a gallon), but something well regarded in its day, and 'an occasion' to drive.
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