Hybrid Options with a small budget
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Hey guys
I'm currently looking for a good quality bike that i can start riding again. I'll mostly be using it for road and trail use so i'm unsure whether i need a full mountain bike or something like a hybrid?, but i don't want to spend a lot(max £200) purely as to begin with my time is limited so its going to be something i'll use gradually and build up, (also as my fitness improves).
So with all that in mind, what should i be looking at? - Reading through previous threads i can see the Halfords Apollo range doesn't get good reviews, but for my budget and requirements, should these be adequate?
Options:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
More expensive option?
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
I do like the look and sound of the GT bikes, but can't help thinking they may not be that suitable for road use. (My use will be split between road and forest/wood trails) so would be grateful for advice on this.
Another alternative is to look at the GT bikes second hand on ebay, but i really wouldn't know a good one from a bad one on there.
Any help or advice, greatly appreciated.
Gaz
I'm currently looking for a good quality bike that i can start riding again. I'll mostly be using it for road and trail use so i'm unsure whether i need a full mountain bike or something like a hybrid?, but i don't want to spend a lot(max £200) purely as to begin with my time is limited so its going to be something i'll use gradually and build up, (also as my fitness improves).
So with all that in mind, what should i be looking at? - Reading through previous threads i can see the Halfords Apollo range doesn't get good reviews, but for my budget and requirements, should these be adequate?
Options:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
More expensive option?
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
I do like the look and sound of the GT bikes, but can't help thinking they may not be that suitable for road use. (My use will be split between road and forest/wood trails) so would be grateful for advice on this.
Another alternative is to look at the GT bikes second hand on ebay, but i really wouldn't know a good one from a bad one on there.
Any help or advice, greatly appreciated.
Gaz
The GT is worth considering for the price but with the others you're suspension will be weighing you down more than actually making your ride easier. For this price what about this:
http://www.rutlandcycling.com/17873/Kona-Smoke-700...
It has huge tires that will take on road and light off road too and the frame being steel will take some off road punishment as well. If you take to cycling you can upgrade the parts as you go along and still end up quids in compared with buying the equivalent spec'd Specialized or Marin bike new.
As Kona say " Chances are, you will have this bike for the rest of your days! "
It's probably worth spending the extra £10 on the assembled version if you have no tools.
Hope this helps.
http://www.rutlandcycling.com/17873/Kona-Smoke-700...
It has huge tires that will take on road and light off road too and the frame being steel will take some off road punishment as well. If you take to cycling you can upgrade the parts as you go along and still end up quids in compared with buying the equivalent spec'd Specialized or Marin bike new.
As Kona say " Chances are, you will have this bike for the rest of your days! "
It's probably worth spending the extra £10 on the assembled version if you have no tools.
Hope this helps.
Both modern steel or aluminium frames will be fine for on and off road. The steel will be a little heavier but many like the feel that steel gives when riding, more rigidity. Depending on the riding you're doing the GT probably be better if you were doing more off road than road, the Kona if the other way round. Though both will do the a bit of both adequately. Obviously throughout the 80's and early 90's many people were happily riding all off road without suspension. The front fork suspension will also incur slightly higher servicing costs over the years but if it's what you need then it's irrelevant.
I'd also recommend searching this forum over the last few weeks for "what Bike" questions. There have been a number with some around your price range.
It will give you more suggestions from other members. As this is a common question not everyone will rewrite their advice over and over again e.g.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Personally I am starting to feel that a lot of ebay/gumtree is a false economy, this is coming from someone was a strong believer in it. There are bargains to be had but the problems with the bikes is you don't know how much use they've had and it's not until you ride them a while that you can figure out how close things are to needing to be replaced.
If you get a nearly new bike then this is often a good dealon ebay but then you have no comeback if anything goes wrong. With many of the bike shop sale prices being closer to the ebay nearly new prices and the advantage of being able to take it back if problems then this is often good for those new to cycling.
Why not search yell.com for bicycle shops near to you and go along explain what you want and try some out on test rides. This should also give you more options, your local independant bike shop may be a little more expensive but are likely to give you better service over time as you build up a relationship.
I mentioned the kona smoke as this is a £300 bike for £200. Which was your budget. Google search reviews for it and you'll see there are many that love it. Ultimately whichever you chose if you don't like it you can ride it for 6 months and sell it on the above sites and lose £50-£100. With the smoke as it's already £100 off you may not lose as much as others.
Let us know how you got on.
I'd also recommend searching this forum over the last few weeks for "what Bike" questions. There have been a number with some around your price range.
It will give you more suggestions from other members. As this is a common question not everyone will rewrite their advice over and over again e.g.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Personally I am starting to feel that a lot of ebay/gumtree is a false economy, this is coming from someone was a strong believer in it. There are bargains to be had but the problems with the bikes is you don't know how much use they've had and it's not until you ride them a while that you can figure out how close things are to needing to be replaced.
If you get a nearly new bike then this is often a good dealon ebay but then you have no comeback if anything goes wrong. With many of the bike shop sale prices being closer to the ebay nearly new prices and the advantage of being able to take it back if problems then this is often good for those new to cycling.
Why not search yell.com for bicycle shops near to you and go along explain what you want and try some out on test rides. This should also give you more options, your local independant bike shop may be a little more expensive but are likely to give you better service over time as you build up a relationship.
I mentioned the kona smoke as this is a £300 bike for £200. Which was your budget. Google search reviews for it and you'll see there are many that love it. Ultimately whichever you chose if you don't like it you can ride it for 6 months and sell it on the above sites and lose £50-£100. With the smoke as it's already £100 off you may not lose as much as others.
Let us know how you got on.
Other mountain bike set ups that you may like are below, in terms of spec. they are all pretty similar and I agree the GT XC3 you mentioned seems the best deal on discounts alone though the decathlon rockrider is slightly better spec. overall....
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/rockrider-5-3-349638...
The disc brakes and front suspension will be good off road but in terms of simplicity and less to go wrong the Kona has it. If you're doing just roads and forrest trails all bikes will be great, you won't 'need' suspension or disc brakes for this. They will be an advantage if you do more serious off road but more of a hindrence if you do more on road.
All bikes will do what you want.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/rockrider-5-3-349638...
The disc brakes and front suspension will be good off road but in terms of simplicity and less to go wrong the Kona has it. If you're doing just roads and forrest trails all bikes will be great, you won't 'need' suspension or disc brakes for this. They will be an advantage if you do more serious off road but more of a hindrence if you do more on road.
All bikes will do what you want.
Thanks again for all your advice 
I agree on the ebay bikes. From a quick search there are plenty that have had minimal use, but the condition of the bike and then any further costs are impossible to tell and too much of a risk with plenty of new bikes available from local specialists for good prices.
I did a quick search for Apollo type threads and have been keeping an eye on the previous couple of pages for threads and recommendations. Always difficult for a beginner and even more so on a tight budget.
I've done a yell.com search and found quite a few specialists in and around Cardiff.
The Kona is definately one i need to try out as the reviews and info you've given would suggest it fits the bill (although i hate the mud-gards!), though i do like the look of the GT and Carrera bikes, plus i've found another alternative at one of the local specialists below:
http://www.ride-bikes.com/products.php?plid=m1b0s1...
Is the one above or Trek in general any good compared to the Kona/GT/Carrera etc?
I'm going to visit a couple of places tomorrow to check things out further. I'm sure its only when i can gather more info with the bikes in front of me that things become more clearer.
Cheers!
I agree on the ebay bikes. From a quick search there are plenty that have had minimal use, but the condition of the bike and then any further costs are impossible to tell and too much of a risk with plenty of new bikes available from local specialists for good prices.
I did a quick search for Apollo type threads and have been keeping an eye on the previous couple of pages for threads and recommendations. Always difficult for a beginner and even more so on a tight budget.
I've done a yell.com search and found quite a few specialists in and around Cardiff.
The Kona is definately one i need to try out as the reviews and info you've given would suggest it fits the bill (although i hate the mud-gards!), though i do like the look of the GT and Carrera bikes, plus i've found another alternative at one of the local specialists below:
http://www.ride-bikes.com/products.php?plid=m1b0s1...
Is the one above or Trek in general any good compared to the Kona/GT/Carrera etc?
I'm going to visit a couple of places tomorrow to check things out further. I'm sure its only when i can gather more info with the bikes in front of me that things become more clearer.
Cheers!
The Trek bike you have mentioned will also do what you want.
One piont i didn't make is Wheels. The Trek has 700x35c wheels. Most hybrids such as this and the kona have 700c wheels as do racer/road bikes. They are larger wheels and so run faster on road, people will note changing from a 26 inch mountain bike wheels to these allows them to ride faster on road. The 35c bit relates to the width of the tyres i.e. 35mm. This width will be fine for road and light off road such as you are planning. The kona has 700x47c wheels which are much wider and similar closer to a mountain bike tyre which will often be around 55mm wide.
So a mountain bike tyre will tend to be smaller and wider whereas hybrids tend to be larger and thinner. The wider tyre will take off road impacts more easily eg. tree roots where as the hybrid tyres being thinner will absorb this less and you'll feel it more when you go over them. So for roads and forrest path either will do, for more rocky terrain MTB is better.
There is also trend towards larger mountain bike tyre especially for taller riders so called 29ers, these are basically 700c wheels with wider tyre... similar to the kona but wider. Being larger they are a bit harder to cycle uphill but roll over smaller obsticles more easily with a larger rolling diameter.
This is why I like the kona it could take MTB style punishment but also has the larger wheels for fast road speed. Take the mudguards off and keep them for the future... they'd cost you £30 if you wre to buy them in the shop...
There is a comment on here recently from somebody that bought the GT XC3 as his first bike and loves it though if you've ruled it out as you don't like it then great, one less to worry about. The Decathlon Rockrider is also a good bike with a mountain bike set up i.e. suspension forks, disk brakes and 26" wheels, it probably has the best components for the money but not the glamourous brand sticker on it... You pay extra for a Specialized or Marin sticker!!
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/rockrider-5-3-349638...
The point is with suspension and disk brakes is that they are two of the most expensive parts on the bike and so at this price point you will be getting near the bottom of the range. They'll be fine for what you want but may not be as reliable in the longterm as compared with some of the more expensive ones... as you'd expect with anything. That said these ones will be more than good enough and if you get into it you can always upgrade them in the future.
As with anything though you can analyse things over and over again. The bikes you have suggested will do what you want. Try as many out as you can, you'll notice the difference between MTB style and Hybrid Style as soon as you sit on one.
One piont i didn't make is Wheels. The Trek has 700x35c wheels. Most hybrids such as this and the kona have 700c wheels as do racer/road bikes. They are larger wheels and so run faster on road, people will note changing from a 26 inch mountain bike wheels to these allows them to ride faster on road. The 35c bit relates to the width of the tyres i.e. 35mm. This width will be fine for road and light off road such as you are planning. The kona has 700x47c wheels which are much wider and similar closer to a mountain bike tyre which will often be around 55mm wide.
So a mountain bike tyre will tend to be smaller and wider whereas hybrids tend to be larger and thinner. The wider tyre will take off road impacts more easily eg. tree roots where as the hybrid tyres being thinner will absorb this less and you'll feel it more when you go over them. So for roads and forrest path either will do, for more rocky terrain MTB is better.
There is also trend towards larger mountain bike tyre especially for taller riders so called 29ers, these are basically 700c wheels with wider tyre... similar to the kona but wider. Being larger they are a bit harder to cycle uphill but roll over smaller obsticles more easily with a larger rolling diameter.
This is why I like the kona it could take MTB style punishment but also has the larger wheels for fast road speed. Take the mudguards off and keep them for the future... they'd cost you £30 if you wre to buy them in the shop...
There is a comment on here recently from somebody that bought the GT XC3 as his first bike and loves it though if you've ruled it out as you don't like it then great, one less to worry about. The Decathlon Rockrider is also a good bike with a mountain bike set up i.e. suspension forks, disk brakes and 26" wheels, it probably has the best components for the money but not the glamourous brand sticker on it... You pay extra for a Specialized or Marin sticker!!
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/rockrider-5-3-349638...
The point is with suspension and disk brakes is that they are two of the most expensive parts on the bike and so at this price point you will be getting near the bottom of the range. They'll be fine for what you want but may not be as reliable in the longterm as compared with some of the more expensive ones... as you'd expect with anything. That said these ones will be more than good enough and if you get into it you can always upgrade them in the future.
As with anything though you can analyse things over and over again. The bikes you have suggested will do what you want. Try as many out as you can, you'll notice the difference between MTB style and Hybrid Style as soon as you sit on one.
Thank you again for all the information.
Really interesting to note the tyre info and its definately something i'm taking into consideration when looking at the bikes now. I take your point about this in relation to feel of the bike over different surfaces.
I think your last point is the most relevant - I need to try as many as possible. Clearly the Kona has a lot going for it, not to mention its price and clearly its far better than a similarly priced Apollo, but i need to compare the GT XC3 and Trex bikes. If i forget the Kona bike and just look at the others i think the Trex will win, purely as i don't need the added suspension etc of the GT, but i may sit on the GT and find it suits me more.
Only worry is being able to source a Kona smoke locally to check out properly.
Going to see what i can find over the weekend and go from there. Many thanks again
Really interesting to note the tyre info and its definately something i'm taking into consideration when looking at the bikes now. I take your point about this in relation to feel of the bike over different surfaces.
I think your last point is the most relevant - I need to try as many as possible. Clearly the Kona has a lot going for it, not to mention its price and clearly its far better than a similarly priced Apollo, but i need to compare the GT XC3 and Trex bikes. If i forget the Kona bike and just look at the others i think the Trex will win, purely as i don't need the added suspension etc of the GT, but i may sit on the GT and find it suits me more.
Only worry is being able to source a Kona smoke locally to check out properly.
Going to see what i can find over the weekend and go from there. Many thanks again
Gnarlybluesurf said:
The GT is worth considering for the price but with the others you're suspension will be weighing you down more than actually making your ride easier. For this price what about this:
http://www.rutlandcycling.com/17873/Kona-Smoke-700...
It has huge tires that will take on road and light off road too and the frame being steel will take some off road punishment as well. If you take to cycling you can upgrade the parts as you go along and still end up quids in compared with buying the equivalent spec'd Specialized or Marin bike new.
As Kona say " Chances are, you will have this bike for the rest of your days! "
It's probably worth spending the extra £10 on the assembled version if you have no tools.
Hope this helps.
Sorry, can I just point out that they're selling it at £209.99 now, when I went in there todayhttp://www.rutlandcycling.com/17873/Kona-Smoke-700...
It has huge tires that will take on road and light off road too and the frame being steel will take some off road punishment as well. If you take to cycling you can upgrade the parts as you go along and still end up quids in compared with buying the equivalent spec'd Specialized or Marin bike new.
As Kona say " Chances are, you will have this bike for the rest of your days! "
It's probably worth spending the extra £10 on the assembled version if you have no tools.
Hope this helps.
Quick update:
Popped into my local Halfords today. Young chap i spoke to seemed relatively knowledgeable. They didn't have any GT XC3's in stock, but i loved the look of the XC2 - although far too expensive for me and more than likely not what i need anyway.
Had a quick look at the Apollo Crossway, but after discussion for a hybrid the Halfords chap recommended the Carrera Subway 1.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
Had a quick pedal round the store and found it to be pretty decent, although i hated the uncomfortable handlebar grips!, (though the salesman said i could get nicer ones for approx £30!)
Popped round to another local specialist then to look at this:
http://www.ride-bikes.com/products.php?plid=m1b0s1...
Have to say i was very impressed. Very knowledgeable staff, definately a proper professional bike feel to the place and really liked the bike. Comfortable, nice to sit on and ride and definately preferred this to the Carrera above.
I really need to compare the Trek bike to the Kona smoke, especially considering i can pick up the Kona for £200. I've managed to search and find a Kona stockist, weirdly that also stoke the Trek bikes, so i think a visit there will give me the answer.
Popped into my local Halfords today. Young chap i spoke to seemed relatively knowledgeable. They didn't have any GT XC3's in stock, but i loved the look of the XC2 - although far too expensive for me and more than likely not what i need anyway.
Had a quick look at the Apollo Crossway, but after discussion for a hybrid the Halfords chap recommended the Carrera Subway 1.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
Had a quick pedal round the store and found it to be pretty decent, although i hated the uncomfortable handlebar grips!, (though the salesman said i could get nicer ones for approx £30!)
Popped round to another local specialist then to look at this:
http://www.ride-bikes.com/products.php?plid=m1b0s1...
Have to say i was very impressed. Very knowledgeable staff, definately a proper professional bike feel to the place and really liked the bike. Comfortable, nice to sit on and ride and definately preferred this to the Carrera above.
I really need to compare the Trek bike to the Kona smoke, especially considering i can pick up the Kona for £200. I've managed to search and find a Kona stockist, weirdly that also stoke the Trek bikes, so i think a visit there will give me the answer.
ML said:
Sorry, can I just point out that they're selling it at £209.99 now, when I went in there today
I know it always was, 199.99 is the unassembled price, 209.99 the assembled price or if you buy from them off ebay unassembled £189.99 plus £10 postage... As I mentioned above I thought paying £10 extra for assembly when you don't have any tools was worth spending.With regards to your search seems like you're doing all the sensible things, you stand every chance of getting a bike you'll like, be suited to your needs and at a price you're happy with.. surely that's all any of us could want!!
Gnarlybluesurf said:
With regards to your search seems like you're doing all the sensible things, you stand every chance of getting a bike you'll like, be suited to your needs and at a price you're happy with.. surely that's all any of us could want!!
The one thing that stood out when i tried the bikes was how narrow the tyres were on the bikes. Really going to make interesting viewing when i try the Kona bike considering the difference in width on the tyres. At the specialist that has the Kona and Trek bikes, they have a 2009 version of the Trek bike for £275 and a 2010 version for £299, but i can't tell what the differences are?
2009
http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/shop/index.php?product_...
2010
http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/shop/index.php?product_...
I don't think that there are any differences appart from the '09 or '10 tag. If you do go for this option i'd get the one you can get the best deal on, if you can't get the price down any more try asking for some free accessories eg bicycle pump, puncture repair kit and free services. Services are a good way of getting things free as they won't cost the shop much other than time but could cost you £30-£50 a time... As long as you don't mind getting told NO then there's nothing to lose.
I'm so confused. After work today i popped into a local Kona stockist only to find they didn't have a Smoke in stock, nor a Trek 7.0.
Had a good chat to the fellas there though who were very knowledgeable and we Spoke about different bikes and different terrains and the info i got was not to buy a hybrid if i want to do any serious mountain biking in the future. Probability is i'll do 90% tarmac, 10% forest trails etc but I described a few places in south wales i'd like to use the bike and they all agreed for those it would ruin both the Hybrids.
Firstly i looked at this:
http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/shop/index.php?product_...
and then this:
http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/shop/index.php?product_...
I loved the Trek, so light and really nice, plus i thought the GT was a really good bike as well. (Ideally i'd just have both ha ha!) I looked at a couple of Kona hybrids similar to the smoke but the overall weight of the bikes really put me off compared to the Trek bikes. I realise if i buy a Mountain bike like the GT it will weigh more, but it was so easy to ride and felt so strong and well put together that it didn't come into the equation.
After thinking more about it tonight, i really want the GT, but as the terrain will be more tarmac and its to improve my fitness more than anything, i'm more confident of buying a hybrid again and then look to borrow/rent an MTB when i go to proper places.
I can't justify spending £200 on the Kona Smoke when i haven't seen it let alone ridden it, so its just whether one of the Trek bikes are worth the £300+.
Wish there was a way of borrowing one for more than 10 mins to help me decide.
Had a good chat to the fellas there though who were very knowledgeable and we Spoke about different bikes and different terrains and the info i got was not to buy a hybrid if i want to do any serious mountain biking in the future. Probability is i'll do 90% tarmac, 10% forest trails etc but I described a few places in south wales i'd like to use the bike and they all agreed for those it would ruin both the Hybrids.
Firstly i looked at this:
http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/shop/index.php?product_...
and then this:
http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/shop/index.php?product_...
I loved the Trek, so light and really nice, plus i thought the GT was a really good bike as well. (Ideally i'd just have both ha ha!) I looked at a couple of Kona hybrids similar to the smoke but the overall weight of the bikes really put me off compared to the Trek bikes. I realise if i buy a Mountain bike like the GT it will weigh more, but it was so easy to ride and felt so strong and well put together that it didn't come into the equation.
After thinking more about it tonight, i really want the GT, but as the terrain will be more tarmac and its to improve my fitness more than anything, i'm more confident of buying a hybrid again and then look to borrow/rent an MTB when i go to proper places.
I can't justify spending £200 on the Kona Smoke when i haven't seen it let alone ridden it, so its just whether one of the Trek bikes are worth the £300+.
Wish there was a way of borrowing one for more than 10 mins to help me decide.
I agree you shouldn't buy the smoke if you can't try it first. Remember the GT XC3 is £299 at halfords at the moment that's a 1/3 off. I've never ridden it though the spec. is very similar to the GT Avalanche and as mentioned there are many on here that sing it's praises. It would give you £80 to buy a helment, pump etc. Though sunset mtb aftercare may be better than halfords depending on who works at your local halfords (the big ones are much better especially away from the weekend when the weekend kids often staff it, at least that is how it is in my local stores). You could always mention the GT XC3 price to the staff at Sunset and see if they could do anything to help, explaining you'd rather buy off them but £80 difference is a lot.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
Also if it's just for fitness and not for speed then it doesn't matter as much how fast the bike is on the road. You'll have to pedal harder to keep up... thus get fitter! Everyone wants two bikes, hence why many people on here have 2+ / as many as their other half can tolerate!!
There's no wrong decision they will both do most of what you want and the hiring option is perfectly good too for those odd occasions that you need the MTB if you go for the Trek. If after 10 weeks you feel you have the wrong one then sell it, accept you've lost cash and put it down to experience. Though i'm sure you'll be happy with either one...
I'm sure i'm just confusing you more now...sorry!
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
Also if it's just for fitness and not for speed then it doesn't matter as much how fast the bike is on the road. You'll have to pedal harder to keep up... thus get fitter! Everyone wants two bikes, hence why many people on here have 2+ / as many as their other half can tolerate!!
There's no wrong decision they will both do most of what you want and the hiring option is perfectly good too for those odd occasions that you need the MTB if you go for the Trek. If after 10 weeks you feel you have the wrong one then sell it, accept you've lost cash and put it down to experience. Though i'm sure you'll be happy with either one...
I'm sure i'm just confusing you more now...sorry!
The guys at sunset were very good, offered to even change the tyres on the GT for slimmer ones if that's what i preferred. Mentioned Rutland cycling offering the smoke for £200 and fair play they really looked at the figures to try and match it, but could only offer it for £250. There's definately some room there though, as they had the 2009 version of the GT 3.0 and it was identical really to the 2010, but £25 less. I'm sure if i said i wanted the 2010 bike they could have got it down, but like you said the Aggressor is very similar at Halfords but at £300.
Its a straight fight between a Trek bike at about £300 and one of the GT ones now, but its whether i go Hybrid or Mountain bike.
Question is, if one isn't suitable and i need to sell it, which will hold more of its value?
Its a straight fight between a Trek bike at about £300 and one of the GT ones now, but its whether i go Hybrid or Mountain bike.
Question is, if one isn't suitable and i need to sell it, which will hold more of its value?
Chances are i wouldn't have bought a bike from Halfords and my local one didn't have an XC3 in stock anyway, but checking it just now and the sale price has now gone.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
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