The best car without a computer
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My next project in this temporal existence we call life is to master basic car mechanics. I'd like to learn the nuts and bolts by working upon a car that's devoid of any form of internal computer. Why? Because I, like many, crave simplicity and detest the "computer says no" scenarios.
Of course, it's a highly debatable question and I suppose there will never be an agreed top trump, but in any case, what make, model and year would you recommend?
Personally, the following characteristics would be present for my choice: 2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
Of course, it's a highly debatable question and I suppose there will never be an agreed top trump, but in any case, what make, model and year would you recommend?
Personally, the following characteristics would be present for my choice: 2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
RevNuts said:
My next project in this temporal existence we call life is to master basic car mechanics. I'd like to learn the nuts and bolts by working upon a car that's devoid of any form of internal computer. Why? Because I, like many, crave simplicity and detest the "computer says no" scenarios.
Of course, it's a highly debatable question and I suppose there will never be an agreed top trump, but in any case, what make, model and year would you recommend?
Personally, the following characteristics would be present for my choice: 2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
What the fuel injected 5 clyinder turbo car with a cambelt and a full brace of electric toys and a nasty unreliable electronic dashboard Audi QuattroOf course, it's a highly debatable question and I suppose there will never be an agreed top trump, but in any case, what make, model and year would you recommend?
Personally, the following characteristics would be present for my choice: 2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
moleamol said:
The Black Duke said:
Any Series Land Rover.
OP said:
2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable
Probably not.Okay I will pass on the nippy but I guess it could be called that compared to a John Deer.
Edited by The Black Duke on Thursday 8th April 07:38
RevNuts said:
alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
So you want a car with no ECU (a Carb'd car), no electrics / luxuries EXCEPT for power steering, both comfy and nippy and you come up with an Audi Quattro? So like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1988-AUDI-QUATTRO-TURBO-BLUE...

You may wish to consider that some cars with computers are ok to work on. My MR2 has a computer that is the equivalent of a pocket calculator, never needs tinkering with, is totally self contained on its own wiring loom to the injection system and is dumb as a box of rocks. If for example you feed nitrous into the car the ECU still sits here happily injecting fuel without a care in the world.
My smart car on the other hand is a pain in the arse and needs a full rewire to get rid of the unreliable POS computer wired up to just about everything for no reason...
My smart car on the other hand is a pain in the arse and needs a full rewire to get rid of the unreliable POS computer wired up to just about everything for no reason...
BriC175 said:
RevNuts said:
alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
So you want a car with no ECU (a Carb'd car), no electrics / luxuries EXCEPT for power steering, both comfy and nippy and you come up with an Audi Quattro? So like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1988-AUDI-QUATTRO-TURBO-BLUE...

Here's a beige 1.8 2WD
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Rare but misses out on the growl of the 5 cylinder
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Rare but misses out on the growl of the 5 cylinder
Isn't the other drawback of the Quattros that they're a pig to work on? Not exactly the right car for learning to twirl a spanner with. A couple of the staff cars in PPC magazine (Quattro and Audi 80) are always causing stories of tinkering taking way longer than they expect.
If you want no electronics you need carbs so you're looking at 30+ year old cars - Capri, Escort, Triumph Dolomite Sprint, BMW 2002, Rover P6, Alfas (Giulias or Alfettas). They were some of the ones on my list when I was looking to buy.
If you want no electronics you need carbs so you're looking at 30+ year old cars - Capri, Escort, Triumph Dolomite Sprint, BMW 2002, Rover P6, Alfas (Giulias or Alfettas). They were some of the ones on my list when I was looking to buy.
You haven't mentioned budget, but something like this fits your criteria almost perfectly;

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/741142.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/741142.htm
RevNuts said:
My next project in this temporal existence we call life is to master basic car mechanics. I'd like to learn the nuts and bolts by working upon a car that's devoid of any form of internal computer. Why? Because I, like many, crave simplicity and detest the "computer says no" scenarios.
Of course, it's a highly debatable question and I suppose there will never be an agreed top trump, but in any case, what make, model and year would you recommend?
Personally, the following characteristics would be present for my choice: 2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
ok, like others have said, your post seems a little at odds really.Of course, it's a highly debatable question and I suppose there will never be an agreed top trump, but in any case, what make, model and year would you recommend?
Personally, the following characteristics would be present for my choice: 2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable, no cam belt, no electric windows/sunroof/mirrors, comfy, 4/rear wheel drive, power steering, nice body. I was thinking about the Audi Quattro for starters.
Can't see a Quattro really meeting any of the criteria you've set out.
Now, more importantly - what is it you want to get from this?
Is it a nice, fun and/or fast car? Or is it more about the learning and having it as a project?
Someone else suggested a Series Landy, not knowing your budget I'd say this is a very good suggestion.
Why?
Because they are cheap to buy, easy to work on and have a HUGE following. This means ALL parts are easily available at sensible money.
Ok they won't be fast and they aren't a coupe, but they can still be a lot of fun and with many varied options from 150hp diesels engines to V8's.
They are also easy to sell on and for sensible money.
Following this same logic. Pretty much any British Leyland, BMC, Morris, MG, Triumph, Rover, etc will be of similar virtue.
As in a very good parts supply for most models.
Some Ford's and Vauxhall's also fall into this category, but arguably to a lesser degree.
If you are wanting to tear down and rebuild a car, being able to get parts for it easily, really will make a difference to the time, standard of work, ease of work, enthusiasm and so on and of course budget required.
So using this as a basis, possible suggestions would be:
-MGB
-TR7
-GT6
-Triumph 2000/2500/2.5 PI
-Rover P4, 5 or 6
-Rover SD1
-MGC for something a little different
-Escort
-Capri
-Cortina
-Viva
-Cresta
If you fancy something more modern yet still different then maybe something American would be of interest. Parts are fairly easy to find for most and fairly easy to source.
So things like a 1980's Fbody (Camaro or Firebird), Mustang, early Corvette C4. Maybe even 2nd gen Firebirds and Camaro's from the late 70's.
There really are 100's of other possibilities, from Datson 120Y's to 70's Golfs.
The Black Duke said:
moleamol said:
The Black Duke said:
Any Series Land Rover.
OP said:
2+ litres with an alluring growl, nippy, coupé, reliable
Probably not.Okay I will pass on the nippy but I guess it could be called that compared to a John Deer.
Edited by The Black Duke on Thursday 8th April 07:38

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