fitting a new cooker - what sort of electrician?!

[briSk]

Right. getting a new electic cooker and ceramic hob. to directly replace an electric cooker and one of those pance old fashioned electric hobs. they're sort of hardwired in. do i need a proper electrician who will fill in some sort of form that gets sent off... or is it okay for any capable person to do.

i am talking not invalidating house insurance type reasons - i know my brother in law or a bloke in the village could do it satisfactorily but by BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

help appreciated as ever.

[Raverbaby]

Im pretty sure a competent person can carry the job out.
as far as im aware its not in a "special" location and your not altering any of the fixed wiring so Part P doesn't apply?
Hopefully you'll have a cooker connection unit (elephants nose) behind your cooker for easy transfer/installation.
The above is presuming your existing supply to your new cooker is large enough to take the load.
Im in Scotland so not too familiar with Part P ( yet...)

[Ganglandboss]

A kitchen is a special location but like for like swaps are not notifiable. I am assuming you are not increasing the capacity of the existing cooker and there are no wiring modifications required.

[Ganglandboss]

briSk said:

BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

I'm not sure what you mean here.

[frosted]

You can do it yourself , its not rocket science , just remember which wire goes where

[briSk]

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

I'm not sure what you mean here.

..maybe i don't know what i am talking about!

brother in law got part P from college (so he knew how to do his own house / out of interest) but you then have to do 'n the job' experience or something don;t you(??) to be properly qualified and be able to do whatever needs to be done for building regs (or whatever) sort of thing etc !
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it's on it's own circuit and the consumer unit is only a couple of years old. and it's a fairly normal fan assisted hotpoint effort for a fairly normal AEG so i don;t imagine we'll be dimming the lights with it's power.. (!)

[briSk]

Raverbaby said:

Hopefully you'll have a cooker connection unit (elephants nose) behind your cooker for easy transfer/installation.

i have no idea what on earth this is but it's something for me to look up so thank you! (it looks as though the wire just goes straight into it (the hob that is) but i only had a cursory glance at it.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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& if it has a 13amp plug but you have a fused spur connection unit just chop it off & wire direct.

[Ganglandboss]

Dave_ST220 said:

anonymous said:

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& if it has a 13amp plug but you have a fused spur connection unit just chop it off & wire direct.

It depends on the supply. You cannot connect direct into a cooker connection unit without fusing down.

[Ganglandboss]

briSk said:

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

I'm not sure what you mean here.

..maybe i don't know what i am talking about!

brother in law got part P from college (so he knew how to do his own house / out of interest) but you then have to do 'n the job' experience or something don;t you(??) to be properly qualified and be able to do whatever needs to be done for building regs (or whatever) sort of thing etc !
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it's on it's own circuit and the consumer unit is only a couple of years old. and it's a fairly normal fan assisted hotpoint effort for a fairly normal AEG so i don;t imagine we'll be dimming the lights with it's power.. (!)

Part P makes the IEE regs a legal requirement in dwellings. It also makes a lot of work notifiable. Notifiable work must be undertaken by a member of an approved domestic installer scheme or you must have it signed off by building control. Notifiable works include installing new circuits and works in special locations (kitchens, bathrooms, outdoors, swimming pools, saunas etc.). If it is a like for like replacement such as replacing a damaged socket etc., it is not notifiable - even in special locations.

I'm still a little confused what you mean by 'brother in law got part P from college'. There are many colleges saying they will train you for Part P but it doesn't mean you are registered - they merely train you to the standard required needed to register.

If your new cooker is the same rating as the old one and is CE marked, anyone can wire it up.

[anonymous-user]

Ganglandboss said:

Dave_ST220 said:

anonymous said:

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& if it has a 13amp plug but you have a fused spur connection unit just chop it off & wire direct.

It depends on the supply. You cannot connect direct into a cooker connection unit without fusing down.

I said fused spur as in 13amp connection units that you find in kitchens, not the old style big switch jobbies Basically the same as a 13amp plug socket without the plug(fuse in the connection unit).

[Ganglandboss]

Dave_ST220 said:

Ganglandboss said:

Dave_ST220 said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

& if it has a 13amp plug but you have a fused spur connection unit just chop it off & wire direct.

It depends on the supply. You cannot connect direct into a cooker connection unit without fusing down.

I said fused spur as in 13amp connection units that you find in kitchens, not the old style big switch jobbies Basically the same as a 13amp plug socket without the plug(fuse in the connection unit).

Sorry - didn't read your post fully.

[briSk]

Ganglandboss said:

I'm still a little confused what you mean by 'brother in law got part P from college'. There are many colleges saying they will train you for Part P but it doesn't mean you are registered - they merely train you to the standard required needed to register.

sorry that's what io meant - so he has the skills but not the ability to 'sign stuff off' i.e. not registered.

thanks for all your help.

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existing (st old hotpoint) cooker is definitely 'hardwired in to cooker circuit'.

new (half decent aeg) one i have no idea whether it will have a plug on or not - i have to admit i had just assumed it wouldn;t if i am honest! if i am honest we went for ones with decent writeups/looked half decent/A rated/sponsored the sauber Group C cars. ( )

new hob (electrolux) may well have a 13 amp plug.

glad to know 'the family' can be involved without worrying though.

cheers chaps.

[dave_s13]

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

I'm not sure what you mean here.

..maybe i don't know what i am talking about!

brother in law got part P from college (so he knew how to do his own house / out of interest) but you then have to do 'n the job' experience or something don;t you(??) to be properly qualified and be able to do whatever needs to be done for building regs (or whatever) sort of thing etc !
_____________________________________

it's on it's own circuit and the consumer unit is only a couple of years old. and it's a fairly normal fan assisted hotpoint effort for a fairly normal AEG so i don;t imagine we'll be dimming the lights with it's power.. (!)

Part P makes the IEE regs a legal requirement in dwellings. It also makes a lot of work notifiable. Notifiable work must be undertaken by a member of an approved domestic installer scheme or you must have it signed off by building control. Notifiable works include installing new circuits and works in special locations (kitchens, bathrooms, outdoors, swimming pools, saunas etc.). If it is a like for like replacement such as replacing a damaged socket etc., it is not notifiable - even in special locations.

I'm still a little confused what you mean by 'brother in law got part P from college'. There are many colleges saying they will train you for Part P but it doesn't mean you are registered - they merely train you to the standard required needed to register.

If your new cooker is the same rating as the old one and is CE marked, anyone can wire it up.

Related question.

I'll be extending my house this year sometime. Is it possible for me to do my own electrical installation (new kitchen, new bathroom, new bedroom) and get it signed off by 2nd party? Or have the days when you could wire up your new cooker with a wet bit of string and only use it whilst wearing thick wellies and rubber gloves passed us by?

I would imagine you can't but interested to hear what folks have to say on the subject.

[Ganglandboss]

dave_s13 said:

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

I'm not sure what you mean here.

..maybe i don't know what i am talking about!

brother in law got part P from college (so he knew how to do his own house / out of interest) but you then have to do 'n the job' experience or something don;t you(??) to be properly qualified and be able to do whatever needs to be done for building regs (or whatever) sort of thing etc !
_____________________________________

it's on it's own circuit and the consumer unit is only a couple of years old. and it's a fairly normal fan assisted hotpoint effort for a fairly normal AEG so i don;t imagine we'll be dimming the lights with it's power.. (!)

Part P makes the IEE regs a legal requirement in dwellings. It also makes a lot of work notifiable. Notifiable work must be undertaken by a member of an approved domestic installer scheme or you must have it signed off by building control. Notifiable works include installing new circuits and works in special locations (kitchens, bathrooms, outdoors, swimming pools, saunas etc.). If it is a like for like replacement such as replacing a damaged socket etc., it is not notifiable - even in special locations.

I'm still a little confused what you mean by 'brother in law got part P from college'. There are many colleges saying they will train you for Part P but it doesn't mean you are registered - they merely train you to the standard required needed to register.

If your new cooker is the same rating as the old one and is CE marked, anyone can wire it up.

Related question.

I'll be extending my house this year sometime. Is it possible for me to do my own electrical installation (new kitchen, new bathroom, new bedroom) and get it signed off by 2nd party? Or have the days when you could wire up your new cooker with a wet bit of string and only use it whilst wearing thick wellies and rubber gloves passed us by?

I would imagine you can't but interested to hear what folks have to say on the subject.

Legally only building control can sign off your work if you are not a member of an approved scheme. An approved domestic installer can only sign off his own firm's work.

If you do the work yourself, you must first notify building control. You can then start work and will have to inform them when you are ready to plaster/secure floorboards etc. so they can inspect your cable runs. They will then give you the all clear to plaster and do your final fix. Once that is complete you have to submit your test certificates. This is where it gets tricky. You will have to either get a registered spark to test it or you will have to satisfy building control that you are competent to do the testing yourself. Contrary to what some people may tell you, building control will not test it for you.

[dave_s13]

Ganglandboss said:

dave_s13 said:

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

Ganglandboss said:

briSk said:

BiL has partP but not whatever you need to 'sign-off' electrical installations..

I'm not sure what you mean here.

..maybe i don't know what i am talking about!

brother in law got part P from college (so he knew how to do his own house / out of interest) but you then have to do 'n the job' experience or something don;t you(??) to be properly qualified and be able to do whatever needs to be done for building regs (or whatever) sort of thing etc !
_____________________________________

it's on it's own circuit and the consumer unit is only a couple of years old. and it's a fairly normal fan assisted hotpoint effort for a fairly normal AEG so i don;t imagine we'll be dimming the lights with it's power.. (!)

Part P makes the IEE regs a legal requirement in dwellings. It also makes a lot of work notifiable. Notifiable work must be undertaken by a member of an approved domestic installer scheme or you must have it signed off by building control. Notifiable works include installing new circuits and works in special locations (kitchens, bathrooms, outdoors, swimming pools, saunas etc.). If it is a like for like replacement such as replacing a damaged socket etc., it is not notifiable - even in special locations.

I'm still a little confused what you mean by 'brother in law got part P from college'. There are many colleges saying they will train you for Part P but it doesn't mean you are registered - they merely train you to the standard required needed to register.

If your new cooker is the same rating as the old one and is CE marked, anyone can wire it up.

Related question.

I'll be extending my house this year sometime. Is it possible for me to do my own electrical installation (new kitchen, new bathroom, new bedroom) and get it signed off by 2nd party? Or have the days when you could wire up your new cooker with a wet bit of string and only use it whilst wearing thick wellies and rubber gloves passed us by?

I would imagine you can't but interested to hear what folks have to say on the subject.

Legally only building control can sign off your work if you are not a member of an approved scheme. An approved domestic installer can only sign off his own firm's work.

If you do the work yourself, you must first notify building control. You can then start work and will have to inform them when you are ready to plaster/secure floorboards etc. so they can inspect your cable runs. They will then give you the all clear to plaster and do your final fix. Once that is complete you have to submit your test certificates. This is where it gets tricky. You will have to either get a registered spark to test it or you will have to satisfy building control that you are competent to do the testing yourself. Contrary to what some people may tell you, building control will not test it for you.

Thanks for that.

Building control; would they be likely to charge an additional site visit fee on top of the ones already needed to inspect foundations and sign off any structural stuff. If so it's likely more cost effective to just to get a spark in.

[Ganglandboss]

dave_s13 said:

Building control; would they be likely to charge an additional site visit fee on top of the ones already needed to inspect foundations and sign off any structural stuff. If so it's likely more cost effective to just to get a spark in.

I'm not 100% sure. Round my way, they charge you based on a percentage of the total value of the works.

[CO2000]

Be careful with the cable spec as Cookers sometimes need larger core cable.

Matching fuse (either end) & switch also req'd.