Any rules on how fast i can go without a roll cage?

[jamiep]

I read on another forum that if i go quicker than a 10.5 at santapod then i will need to fit an approved cage, any truth in that?

[redvictor]

i'm pretty sure it's 10.0. But anywhere in the 10's you want a rollcage of some sort. Living is preferable to dead anyday.

[jamiep]

Ok thanks, really dont want a roll cage as my car is 99% a street car and i dont like the thought of splitting my skull open on one, i only go to the pod once a year.

[redvictor]

jamiep said:

Ok thanks, really dont want a roll cage as my car is 99% a street car and i dont like the thought of splitting my skull open on one, i only go to the pod once a year.

How would you do that with a helmet on and roll bar padding? Ever seen a car roll over without a cage?

[jamiep]

As said, its 99% a street car, i tend not to pop down tescos wearing a crash helmet

[Benni]

Good and serious looking car that you´ve got there, and some great reaction after the 10.90 run......
3:10 for TWO starts at SPR is not slouching, either, too bad you have to engage 5th gear for just 1 second
before the finish line.

[jamiep]

Benni said:

Good and serious looking car that you´ve got there, and some great reaction after the 10.90 run......
3:10 for TWO starts at SPR is not slouching, either, too bad you have to engage 5th gear for just 1 second
before the finish line.

Thanks, that was a stock engine with a 7200rpm rev limit, this year i have a fully built engine with a 9000rpm rev limit so wont have to snatch 5th gear, also gone up from a 67mm turbo at about 600bhp to a 76mm turbo at about 1000bhp, hoping to do a low 10 or maybe even a 9 this year.

[redvictor]

jamiep said:

As said, its 99% a street car, i tend not to pop down tescos wearing a crash helmet

So you're having a 1000hp and you don't want a roll cage?
Good luck when you crash then..

Edited by redvictor on Friday 9th April 08:07

[jamiep]

If i can get away with it as far as the pod is concerned then yes.

I hear what you are saying and appreciate the concern but i use the car most days, im 6ft5" and not the slimest of chaps and i dont want to be climbing over a roll cage or take away from it being a proper street car.

Imo i will be safer without a roll cage, if the worst was to happen i would more than likely be on the road (8000miles a year on the street and 1 mile a year at the drag strip) and as said i dont wear a crash helmet on the street so with a roll cage id be more likely to damage my head.

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 09:21

[JakesterUK]

jamiep said:

If i can get away with it as far as the pod is concerned then yes.

I hear what you are saying and appreciate the concern but i use the car most days, im 6ft5" and not the slimest of chaps and i dont want to be climbing over a roll cage or take away from it being a proper street car.

Imo i will be safer without a roll cage, if the worst was to happen i would more than likely be on the road (8000miles a year on the street and 1 mile a year at the drag strip) and as said i dont wear a crash helmet on the street so with a roll cage id be more likely to damage my head.

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 09:21

You'll only ever run that 9 second run your chasing ONCE at the pod as they'll ban you from running again without a cage, the rules are there to keep you safe, I appreciate your point about more road miles that track, BUT GET A CAGE, besides your arguement about more chance of chashing on the road & being safer without a cage is madness (no offence)but c'mon HOW can you be safer without the cage than with...

[jamiep]

You're kidding me right? you dont understand that huge lumps of scaffold all round my head is dangerous when not not wearing a crash helmet? even a small bump i could split my head open, and dont think a little bit of cage padding will save you....

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 10:27

[BennettRacing]

Just an idea but can you just fit the rear section of a cage?

Something is better than nothing. Running a 9 is fast and I think that the fact its a comfy street car is fooling your head into thinking its cushy. Think about it, say you run a 9.80 your likely to be doing 140mph ish

[MotorPsycho]

cage padding will hurt less than the roof caving in and crushing you........

cage with removable door bars, leave them out for street use to make getting in and out easier, then bolt it in for racing

Edited by MotorPsycho on Friday 9th April 10:33

[jamiep]

BennettRacing said:

Just an idea but can you just fit the rear section of a cage?

Would that pass the rules?, tbh if it means i have to fit a full cage to race i wont bother racing, it dont mean that much to me tbh.

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 10:38

[BennettRacing]

jamiep said:

BennettRacing said:

Just an idea but can you just fit the rear section of a cage?

Would that pass the rules?, tbh if it means i have to fit a full cage to race i wont bother racing, it dont mean that much to me tbh.

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 10:38

No idea mate, but something is better than nothing.

Do yourself a favour, decide if you want a race car or a street car, its alot of money to have something to do both...

Sounds like a nice bit of kit, why not turn it into a race car? Do it properly and get yourself a daily run about...

[jamiep]

BennettRacing said:

jamiep said:

BennettRacing said:

Just an idea but can you just fit the rear section of a cage?

Would that pass the rules?, tbh if it means i have to fit a full cage to race i wont bother racing, it dont mean that much to me tbh.

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 10:38

No idea mate, but something is better than nothing.

Do yourself a favour, decide if you want a race car or a street car, its alot of money to have something to do both...

Sounds like a nice bit of kit, why not turn it into a race car? Do it properly and get yourself a daily run about...

Ok i will speak with santapod and look into a rear cage, the removable bars sound like a decent idea.

I dont want a race car but do like a fast car, i love the fact it looks almost stock.

Im not really into drag racing, i only go once a year when the supra owners club hires it for the day, good bit of fun racing my mates.

I like the fact its a all round car that i can do everything in, i think a cage will spoil it a bit for me.

[jamiep]

Just called santapod and they dont care how fast i go, no cage needed for normal rwyb days, just a helmet if im going over 110mph which i knew from last year.

Should have called them before i posted the thread.

[BennettRacing]

jamiep said:

BennettRacing said:

jamiep said:

BennettRacing said:

Just an idea but can you just fit the rear section of a cage?

Would that pass the rules?, tbh if it means i have to fit a full cage to race i wont bother racing, it dont mean that much to me tbh.

Edited by jamiep on Friday 9th April 10:38

No idea mate, but something is better than nothing.

Do yourself a favour, decide if you want a race car or a street car, its alot of money to have something to do both...

Sounds like a nice bit of kit, why not turn it into a race car? Do it properly and get yourself a daily run about...

Ok i will speak with santapod and look into a rear cage, the removable bars sound like a decent idea.

I dont want a race car but do like a fast car, i love the fact it looks almost stock.

Im not really into drag racing, i only go once a year when the supra owners club hires it for the day, good bit of fun racing my mates.

I like the fact its a all round car that i can do everything in, i think a cage will spoil it a bit for me.

Worthwhile mate def.

Stock looking is a good thing, I had a mini years ago that was shabby with steel wheels but had a 1400 race motor in it, loved it for that reason.

Obviously its your car, you do with as you please but the Jap scene is growing and might be a good time to get involved.

[Tet]

jamiep said:

Imo i will be safer without a roll cage

Your opinion is wrong. Incidentally, if you're racing, you need a roll cage if you're going 11.99 seconds or quicker. I appreciate you're not planning on racing, but I'd still get a roll cage fitted.

Edited by Tet on Friday 9th April 23:28

[dumbfunk]

Off my patch a little here but this is a very hot topic in the TVR forums where the received wisdom is that for ROAD use the chances of being hurt rolling without a cage is far far slimmer than the chances of being belted in the head by a steel bar in a more conventional front, side or rear crash.

Genuine question - isn't a full cage part of a safety *system* that is designed to work in combination with a proper race seat, belts and helmet? I know Porsche fit rear cages to their GT models and still pass extremely stringent TUV certification so that must be a feasible middle ground solution.

There's some experienced voices on this thread - I'd appreciate your views.

Thanks



Dumbfunk

(Griff 500 without cage but with slight rollover paranoia!)