This will test the PH knowledge
This will test the PH knowledge
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olimeads

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3,927 posts

217 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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You may or may not know about this photo.


Well basically my grandfather went out to take a photo of the plane passing as a close friend was ment to be flying and this is the photo he took. It has been widley published and sort after.
Anyhow it is his 80th soon and the 50th aniversary of the photo, I have been tracking down the location of the 2 glass plate negatives to present to him.
Now, I was wondering whom to contact to find out about what happened to the wreckage of the lightning (XG332) when the MOD cleared it up. It would be great to present the slides back to him with a small piece of the aircraft.
But who do I ask? Afterall if you don't ask you will never know.


Oli
(excuse any spellings ect as it is 01:18 and I am on my iPhone in bed)

Edited by olimeads on Friday 9th April 01:22

shirt

25,376 posts

230 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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mods will move this to the aircraft forum, eric mc will see it and you'll have an answer to read whilst you eat your cornflakes.

iconic snap that, good work by your grandad

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

254 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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I always understood that the photographer was taking a photo of the tractor and happened to be in the right place at the right time for the lightning bang-out.

(as a photographer, I'll endorse that by saying that the tractor is pin sharp...)

Edited by Famous Graham on Friday 9th April 02:09

Snoggledog

9,255 posts

246 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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IIRC it's already been discussed on the planes (only) forum. (sorry had to get the dig in wink)

As Shirt says Eric will probably have the answer for you. If he doesn't, consider it a lost cause.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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It's a very well known photo. The picture shows English Electric test pilot George Aird ejecting out of an early Lightning pre-production aircraft. He survived (obviously as he is to be celebrating his 80th soon - as mentioned by the OP).

The picture was taken by a photographer who was shooting the tractor as part of a feature for an agricultural magazine. I think it won numerous press awards.


Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 9th April 07:43

Mastiff

2,515 posts

270 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Sorry, I read that as it was his 80yr old Grandfather that took the photo?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Mastiff said:
Sorry, I read that as it was his 80yr old Grandfather that took the photo?
You're correct.

I think Aird is still with us all the same.

XG332

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217 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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The story goes my grandfathers next door neigbour has an RAF test pilot and had told jim that he would be flying that day. he went down with his to kids (my dad and uncle, 4 and 5 yo) he saw the plane pitch up and the pilot eject, but because he only had 2 shots on a reversable glass plate slide, he waited until the plane was had gone virticle and was coming back down. He was intact trespassing on the airfield and wasn't shooting the tracter, just happened to be there.
it turned out that his neighbour wasn't flying as he had allowed his 2nd (george) to fly.
This is the true story straight from the horses mouth. And if anybody has
any questions I will go ask him as he is in his bedroom in the next room.
(It looks like I have managed to change my username)

Edited by XG332 on Friday 9th April 08:38

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Was he a professional photographer or just a keen amateur?

XG332

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Friday 9th April 2010
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At the time an amature with interests in planes and trains. The money he recieved from this (£1000 in 1962) allowed him to become a pro photog. Now he shoots fox hunts on foot, running with the hounds using 3 canon T90's film cameras. He has had 5? Books published with his 6th and final book expected for 2012.

HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

211 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Mastiff said:
Sorry, I read that as it was his 80yr old Grandfather that took the photo?
You're correct.

I think Aird is still with us all the same.
Anyone know if he is still around for sure? I smell a reuninion!

XG332

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217 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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I shall enquire during breakfast.

tonyvid

9,889 posts

272 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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I'll ask my Dad if he knows anything about it as he was working at Hatfield at the time - it landed just about where Smallford Scrappy is these days so maybe it started them off!

tonyvid

9,889 posts

272 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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And he says...It was an MOD Aircraft so probably went back to Farnborough or Boscombe. He had made a aircraft telemetry pack for Firestreak that was fitted in the gun bay and had removed it the day before and was rather happy it was on his bench rather than in the hole in the ground! He says the aircraft had a tail fire and, as it was an all moving tail structure, lost all control.

Chris71

21,549 posts

271 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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There's a print of his hanging up in the gents in Panshanger airfield near Hatfield. I don't know if Panshanger has a direct association with the event or if it's just nearby?

spitfire-ian

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257 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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tonyvid said:
And he says...It was an MOD Aircraft so probably went back to Farnborough or Boscombe. He had made a aircraft telemetry pack for Firestreak that was fitted in the gun bay and had removed it the day before and was rather happy it was on his bench rather than in the hole in the ground! He says the aircraft had a tail fire and, as it was an all moving tail structure, lost all control.
IIRC it was the same sort of thing that happened to ZU-BEX in SA and probably quite a few other Lightnings.

ninja-lewis

5,407 posts

219 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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A search for XG332 brings up some information on pprune. A couple of posters suggested trying the newspaper photo departments (Mirror or Daily Mail). As for the wreckage, have you tried the RAF Air Historical Branch?

tonyvid

9,889 posts

272 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Chris71 said:
There's a print of his hanging up in the gents in Panshanger airfield near Hatfield. I don't know if Panshanger has a direct association with the event or if it's just nearby?
The Aircraft was involved in trials at De Havillands at Hatfield and crashed at the greenhouses at the western end at Smallford.

Mastiff

2,515 posts

270 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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XG332 said:
At the time an amature with interests in planes and trains. The money he recieved from this (£1000 in 1962) allowed him to become a pro photog. Now he shoots fox hunts on foot, running with the hounds using 3 canon T90's film cameras. He has had 5? Books published with his 6th and final book expected for 2012.
yikes

At 80yrs old? Good on the man!

Jib of the highest quality. Must be a really interesting chap.

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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This appeared in a thread last year I think. There's also a webpage somewhere detailing the whole incident, and how the pilot landed in a greenhouse.