What are the merits of using Cat6 over Cat5e?
What are the merits of using Cat6 over Cat5e?
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sleep envy

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62,260 posts

279 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Just picked up a scheme where the client wants a unit rewired in cat 6, it was previously a dental practice which was stripped out and is being refurbished back into a dental practise with a GP's surgery bolted on (the structure is remaining as is with minor alterations to plasterboard partitions).

The client is adamant that we use cat6 although they won't be running anything particularly high end IT wise and the bending radius of the cat6 is proving to be a challenge in order to deliver this quickly and in a cost efficient manner.


Landlord

12,689 posts

287 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Cat6 is one better than Cat5.

HTH.

sleep envy

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279 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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hehe

your boss must be real pleased he's got you on board

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Call me a bit if you want.

lestag

4,614 posts

306 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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There are none for what you have described

Edited by lestag on Friday 9th April 13:38

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

239 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Get a better cabler in wink

What are you having problem with exactly?

If it's **really** that awkward, then consider a fibre section

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

228 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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From what I can gather, the difference is that CAT6 is supposed to be able to cope with Gigabit ethernet better. CAT5e can pretty much get there, it just isn't 'certified' as such.

If the cable runs are pretty short, I doubt you'll see much difference, and anyway, unless they're running Gigabit everything (unlikely), it's a waste of their money, since the network will only run as fast as whatever's connected to it.

If the cable runs are long, 100m plus, it ain't going to work terribly well at Gigabit speeds even with CAT6 cable.

Don't know if this helps or not. Fibre optic cable is what they want

buggalugs

9,292 posts

267 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Super Slo Mo said:
From what I can gather, the difference is that CAT6 is supposed to be able to cope with Gigabit ethernet better. CAT5e can pretty much get there, it just isn't 'certified' as such.

If the cable runs are pretty short, I doubt you'll see much difference, and anyway, unless they're running Gigabit everything (unlikely), it's a waste of their money, since the network will only run as fast as whatever's connected to it.

If the cable runs are long, 100m plus, it ain't going to work terribly well at Gigabit speeds even with CAT6 cable.

Don't know if this helps or not. Fibre optic cable is what they want
I don't think its true about cat5 not being 'certified' for gigabit, 1000base-t which is what 'normal' gigabit ethernet cards use specifies gigabit over cat5 over 100M. You do have to watch out for it needing all 4 pairs to be in and working though (phone and 100meg only need 2 pairs so can work fine over technicaly faulty wiring). I would agree with everything else though smile


I'd give 'em two quotes, and see which one they go for hehe

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

228 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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I just read that 'certified' bit somewhere, so it could well be wrong.

Plotloss

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300 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Cat5e is certified for 1000Base-T
Cat6 is certified for 1000Base-T, 1000Base-TX and 10GBase-T

nerd

lestag

4,614 posts

306 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Plotloss said:
Cat5e is certified for 1000Base-T
Cat6 is certified for 1000Base-T, 1000Base-TX and 10GBase-T

nerd
You would be unlikely to get full 1000Base-T speed at 100m with 5e

and cat 5e/6 etc is not a certification, just a specification to a standard
nerdnerd

mcflurry

9,191 posts

283 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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The client is paying, so what's the problem?

cjs

11,693 posts

281 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Who knows what is around the corner, maybe the client wants to future-proof the installation just in case? Remote dentistry maybe, teeth drilling online?

GlenMH

5,466 posts

273 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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You gotta love Japan - you can't buy cat 5 patch cables here anymore - it is all cat 6 stuff and the shelves are filling with Cat 7....

It is utter utter overkill.

sleep envy

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Friday 9th April 2010
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itsnotarace said:
What are you having problem with exactly?
bending radius

cable trays already in the ceiling void and will need to be modified to suit cat 6

only problem is the void if full of ducting, AC cassettes, sprinklers, etc, etc

suspended tiles ceiling which will effectively be stripped out and replaced due to the mods

total and utter waste of cash IMO

sleep envy

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Friday 9th April 2010
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Plotloss said:
Call me a bit if you want.
a bit

will bell you this w/e - need to co-ordinate sunday wink

Size Nine Elm

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314 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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GlenMH said:
You gotta love Japan - you can't buy cat 5 patch cables here anymore - it is all cat 6 stuff and the shelves are filling with Cat 7....

It is utter utter overkill.
Nigel Tufnel: The cables are all Cat11. Look, right across the board, 11, 11, 11 and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most cables go up to 10?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's better? Is it any better?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one better, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be connected at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your computer. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Use Cat11.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One better.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten better and make ten be the best cable and make that a little better?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These are Cat 11.

RobCrezz

7,892 posts

238 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Cat6 is harder to bend? I hadn't noticed.

Kovac

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198 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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RobCrezz said:
Cat6 is harder to bend? I hadn't noticed.
The solid core stuff with the plastic separator running between the pairs is a fair bit harder to bend. I mostly end up running cat5e whenever I have the option to choose. Just make sure its low smoke zero halogen, its so much easier to work with and doest tend to age as badly as the cheap nasty solid core.

Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

246 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Difference is irrelevant in almost every application. Only real excuse possibly is future proofing.

All industries waste money in this fashion its quite extraordinary. My local council is rebuilding the theatre. Apparently midway through the build is when you decide what sort of stone to use to pave the front. Idiots.