30mph limits on all but dual carriageways
Discussion
Yesterday there was another accident on a main road in Ipswich involving 2 cars, few people cut out of the cars, but no serious injuries.
In the paper they had people calling for it to be reduced to a 30mph limit (is currently a 40mph limit) and I guess due to the numpty brigade it will eventually be reduced to 30mph. It's rediculous, it's a very straight road and VERY wide, nothing parked on it, roadabouts at one end, traffic lights at the other. Apart from this road, off the top of my head I can't think of any roads in and around Ipswich where the limit is more than 30mph.
The particular cause of this accident was nothing other than BAD driving, nothing else. Are we destined for 30mph limits every where to cater for the lowest common denominator?
I've never heard of a limit on a road being increased, in 10 years time will motorway limits reduced to 50mph because the standard of driving is so poor that people can't be trusted to go any faster than that?
In the paper they had people calling for it to be reduced to a 30mph limit (is currently a 40mph limit) and I guess due to the numpty brigade it will eventually be reduced to 30mph. It's rediculous, it's a very straight road and VERY wide, nothing parked on it, roadabouts at one end, traffic lights at the other. Apart from this road, off the top of my head I can't think of any roads in and around Ipswich where the limit is more than 30mph.
The particular cause of this accident was nothing other than BAD driving, nothing else. Are we destined for 30mph limits every where to cater for the lowest common denominator?
I've never heard of a limit on a road being increased, in 10 years time will motorway limits reduced to 50mph because the standard of driving is so poor that people can't be trusted to go any faster than that?
deeen said:
well they're down to 55 in usa and that looney nadar is still getting himself in the papers
Where did you get that from.
It used to be 55 in the USA, but now they drive much faster than we do in the UK.
The limit on many freeways is 75 and driving from LA to San Diego recently everyone seemed to be cruising down the San Diego Freeway at 85 to 90.
Across the Arizona dsert to phoenix vfrom LA the limit is 75 and it's not unusual to cruise at 90+.
No bloody cameras either!
I used to dislike driving in the USA in the 80's and early 90's, but now I'd rather drive there than here.
Muncher said:I've never been sure weather VERY wide roads are safer, but if the 30 limit saves injuries and death is it not worthwhile? What bad driving caused this crash?
In the paper they had people calling for it to be reduced to a 30mph limit (is currently a 40mph limit) and I guess due to the numpty brigade it will eventually be reduced to 30mph. It's rediculous, it's a very straight road and VERY wide.......
The particular cause of this accident was nothing other than BAD driving, nothing else. Are we destined for 30mph limits every where to cater for the lowest common denominator?
andrew54 said:
In the paper they had people calling for it to be reduced to a 30mph limit (is currently a 40mph limit) and I guess due to the numpty brigade it will eventually be reduced to 30mph. It's rediculous, it's a very straight road and VERY wide.......
The particular cause of this accident was nothing other than BAD driving, nothing else. Are we destined for 30mph limits every where to cater for the lowest common denominator?
I've never been sure weather VERY wide roads are safer, but if the 30 limit saves injuries and death is it not worthwhile? What bad driving caused this crash?
Following that logic then shouldn't all roads have a 5mph limit and a return to a man waving a red flag?
The point is that we shouldn't be reducing limits to cater for the most inept drivers, we should be ensuring that inept drivers don't get on the roads in the first place, through tougher training and better policing. If drivers were made more skillful then accidents would certainly reduce.
The freeway limit in the US is graded by proximity to major traffic spots.
So for example I-85 down in deepest darkest Alabama its 75mph, when it goes up past Macon its 65mph and when it hits Atlanta its 55mph.
This however doesnt stop everyone hoofing it round I-285 at about 90mph...
So for example I-85 down in deepest darkest Alabama its 75mph, when it goes up past Macon its 65mph and when it hits Atlanta its 55mph.
This however doesnt stop everyone hoofing it round I-285 at about 90mph...
Mon Ami Mate said:
Muncher said:
In the paper they had people calling for it to be reduced to a 30mph limit (is currently a 40mph limit) and I guess due to the numpty brigade it will eventually be reduced to 30mph. It's rediculous, it's a very straight road and VERY wide.......
The particular cause of this accident was nothing other than BAD driving, nothing else. Are we destined for 30mph limits every where to cater for the lowest common denominator?
I've never been sure weather VERY wide roads are safer, but if the 30 limit saves injuries and death is it not worthwhile? What bad driving caused this crash?
Following that logic then shouldn't all roads have a 5mph limit and a return to a man waving a red flag?
The point is that we shouldn't be reducing limits to cater for the most inept drivers, we should be ensuring that inept drivers don't get on the roads in the first place, through tougher training and better policing. If drivers were made more skillful then accidents would certainly reduce.
MAM - agree entirely.
The thinking in this country over the last few years seems to be that the lowest common denominator must be pandered to and controlled rather than educated.
If drivers were trained properly we would not see so many accidents, so speed limits could be raised to due to the improved standards.
Bad drivers should not be allowed to operate lethal weopons. If this was health & safety you would have to take test, assesments & instruction to use one.
Why are we letting bad driving dictate the system?
See my post in general gassing today on this exact topic
Bad drivers should not be allowed to operate lethal weopons. If this was health & safety you would have to take test, assesments & instruction to use one.
Why are we letting bad driving dictate the system?
See my post in general gassing today on this exact topic
Mon Ami Mate said:We should set the limits to suit the drivers we have, and if they are inept...?
The point is that we shouldn't be reducing limits to cater for the most inept drivers, we should be ensuring that inept drivers don't get on the roads in the first place, through tougher training and better policing. If drivers were made more skillful then accidents would certainly reduce.
Why does no-one offer a simple improvement course for the average driver? Many don't want to become 'advanced', but a simply fixed-fee course might attract many drivers. Should we criticise the drivers when this is not available?
andrew54 said:
The point is that we shouldn't be reducing limits to cater for the most inept drivers, we should be ensuring that inept drivers don't get on the roads in the first place, through tougher training and better policing. If drivers were made more skillful then accidents would certainly reduce.
We should set the limits to suit the drivers we have, and if they are inept...?
Why does no-one offer a simple improvement course for the average driver? Many don't want to become 'advanced', but a simply fixed-fee course might attract many drivers. Should we criticise the drivers when this is not available?
No, we should criticise the Government that has made driving a right for everybody, regardless of their ability, diminished driving standards to ensure access to this right, raised taxes and penalties to make lots of money from these people and then complains about crowded roads and worsening standards.
We need to introduce a stringent new test and an equally stringent retest and medical every five years for existing drivers. Driving is a privilege that should be earned. Motor vehicles are dangerous weapons in the wrong hands, regardless of what velocity you are travelling at.
We should set the limits to suit the drivers we have, and if they are inept...?
Andrew54....are you saying that we should set the speed limits to suit people like "Welsh Maureen", the woman who had over a 100 attempts to pass her test and the other numpties out there?
PS - that's not a dig at the Welsh, my dad's from Swansea.
Andrew54....are you saying that we should set the speed limits to suit people like "Welsh Maureen", the woman who had over a 100 attempts to pass her test and the other numpties out there?
PS - that's not a dig at the Welsh, my dad's from Swansea.
Mon Ami Mate said:
Muncher said:
In the paper they had people calling for it to be reduced to a 30mph limit (is currently a 40mph limit) and I guess due to the numpty brigade it will eventually be reduced to 30mph. It's rediculous, it's a very straight road and VERY wide.......
The particular cause of this accident was nothing other than BAD driving, nothing else. Are we destined for 30mph limits every where to cater for the lowest common denominator?
I've never been sure weather VERY wide roads are safer, but if the 30 limit saves injuries and death is it not worthwhile? What bad driving caused this crash?
Following that logic then shouldn't all roads have a 5mph limit and a return to a man waving a red flag?
The point is that we shouldn't be reducing limits to cater for the most inept drivers, we should be ensuring that inept drivers don't get on the roads in the first place, through tougher training and better policing. If drivers were made more skillful then accidents would certainly reduce.
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