"Taking £6b out of the economy"?
"Taking £6b out of the economy"?
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paddyhasneeds

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67,795 posts

240 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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I keep hearing this line trotted out by Labour in response the to Tory NI proposals. Can someone explain this argument to me please?

I know Gordon views everyone's money as belonging to him except that which he deigns to allow us to keep, but surely not raising NI is keeping money in the economy because people are free to spend it on goods and services, which was, I thought, how an economy worked?

What have I missed?

RichBurley

2,432 posts

283 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Not a lot really, save that the public would use the money in a different way- maybe save some, pay off some debt, buy a holiday. No idea what Brown would do with the money.

nelly1

5,665 posts

261 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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RichBurley said:
No idea what Brown would do with the money.
It involves a bodily function and a wall.

paddyhasneeds

Original Poster:

67,795 posts

240 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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RichBurley said:
Not a lot really, save that the public would use the money in a different way- maybe save some, pay off some debt, buy a holiday. No idea what Brown would do with the money.
I didn't think public spending was classed as "the economy" though? That's a serious question by the way, much as I hate Brown I'm no economic genius.

Busa_Rush

6,930 posts

281 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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You are correct, the 6bn is already in the economy, Brown wants it in his control as he views public spending as the only spending which does any good for the economy . . . which is bullst. It's an extreme socialist view . . . give us all your money so we can distribute it to those who WE THINK need it most . . . and our friends and colleagues who want to line their pickets who are obviously in most need.

They keep stating the lie in order to try to convince you it's true . . . some people, if they hear something often enough, come to believe it to be true.

It's been proved many times over the years that giving the population more money to spend equates to a stronger economy . . . this means less tax and regulation makes the economy stronger.


Edited by Busa_Rush on Sunday 11th April 09:42

Mon Ami Mate

6,589 posts

298 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Labour doesn't understand the difference between "the economy" and "the public sector". The Government will take the £6b and waste it. It would be far better sed in "the economy" by businesses who can use it to create jobs and opportunities.

RichBurley

2,432 posts

283 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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paddyhasneeds said:
RichBurley said:
Not a lot really, save that the public would use the money in a different way- maybe save some, pay off some debt, buy a holiday. No idea what Brown would do with the money.
I didn't think public spending was classed as "the economy" though? That's a serious question by the way, much as I hate Brown I'm no economic genius.

One thing I do know is that the people make up a significant part of the economy. That should not be underestimated!

nelly1

5,665 posts

261 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Busa_Rush said:
You are correct, the 6bn is already in the economy, Brown wants it in his control as he views public spending as the only spending which does any good for the economy . . . which is bullst. It's an extreme socialist view . . . give us all your money so we can distribute it to those who WE THINK need it most . . . and our friends and colleagues who want to line their pickets who are obviously in most need.

They keep stating the lie in order to try to convince you it's true . . . some people, if they hear something often enough, come to believe it to be true.

It's been proved many times over the years that giving the population more money to spend equates to a stronger economy . . . this means less tax and regulation makes the economy stronger.
It's a simple enough point - so why the hell isn't CMD using it?!?

paddyhasneeds

Original Poster:

67,795 posts

240 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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nelly1 said:
Busa_Rush said:
You are correct, the 6bn is already in the economy, Brown wants it in his control as he views public spending as the only spending which does any good for the economy . . . which is bullst. It's an extreme socialist view . . . give us all your money so we can distribute it to those who WE THINK need it most . . . and our friends and colleagues who want to line their pickets who are obviously in most need.

They keep stating the lie in order to try to convince you it's true . . . some people, if they hear something often enough, come to believe it to be true.

It's been proved many times over the years that giving the population more money to spend equates to a stronger economy . . . this means less tax and regulation makes the economy stronger.
It's a simple enough point - so why the hell isn't CMD using it?!?
I watched question time last week and was almost screaming at Theresa May to make that point when Milliband was peddling the "£6b out of the economy" line.

It's quite worrying that so many people don't seem to get it.

Jasandjules

72,607 posts

259 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Puggit said:
As usual, many a true word spoken in jest.

Yeast Lord

329 posts

199 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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The public sector isn't the bloody economy though.

Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

246 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Well gordo as usual doesnt quite get it. Claims to be giving tons of money to public service which is part of reason for the ni rise yet the NI rise takes a few billion out of the public services staffing pay.