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Afternoon guys, just wanted some advice and this seems the appropriate forum to post on.
In the near future I want to start my own dealership, but having trouble finding a place.
The property will not be used as a dealership straight away; instead it will be used as a residential property, and then later converted for use for a home and a business. Can a farm be bought as a residential home?
I have looked at a few farms near Quainton but most seem to require “agricultural occupancy”, what does this mean?
What restrictions are placed on Grade II listed properties in terms of development of new buildings?
What is the difference between a ‘listed property’ and a ‘listed farm’?
Thanks in advance
In the near future I want to start my own dealership, but having trouble finding a place.
The property will not be used as a dealership straight away; instead it will be used as a residential property, and then later converted for use for a home and a business. Can a farm be bought as a residential home?
I have looked at a few farms near Quainton but most seem to require “agricultural occupancy”, what does this mean?
What restrictions are placed on Grade II listed properties in terms of development of new buildings?
What is the difference between a ‘listed property’ and a ‘listed farm’?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
What will you be dealing in? I'll assume some sort of vehicle dealership? or is it something else entirely?!
From your post, the first thing that strikes me is that I think you'll find it extremely difficult, which means expensive to convert the use of a farm into some sort of car/vehicle dealership. Farms are working businesses, with permissions in place to milk cows and grow crops, not to sell Porsches and Mercedes!
Agricultural Occupancy seems to related that houses and outbuildings on the farm will be private residences within that defined boundary that is the farmland itself and that permission is granted for that. I don't think there's any other business premises which let you live on the property the same way.
If you want to have a car/vehicle showroom, nicely laid out, good decor with facilities for washing and cleaning and preparation etc, then it sounds as though you'd probably be better off finding a suitable business premises in a town/city nearby to you as you'll probably get permission easier. Also, considering the number of actual car showroom premises that are now empty, you'll probably have a choice!
Doing the same on the farm will either be ultra expensive to do, or might be rejected out right.
Cheers, Dennis!
What will you be dealing in? I'll assume some sort of vehicle dealership? or is it something else entirely?!
From your post, the first thing that strikes me is that I think you'll find it extremely difficult, which means expensive to convert the use of a farm into some sort of car/vehicle dealership. Farms are working businesses, with permissions in place to milk cows and grow crops, not to sell Porsches and Mercedes!
Agricultural Occupancy seems to related that houses and outbuildings on the farm will be private residences within that defined boundary that is the farmland itself and that permission is granted for that. I don't think there's any other business premises which let you live on the property the same way.
If you want to have a car/vehicle showroom, nicely laid out, good decor with facilities for washing and cleaning and preparation etc, then it sounds as though you'd probably be better off finding a suitable business premises in a town/city nearby to you as you'll probably get permission easier. Also, considering the number of actual car showroom premises that are now empty, you'll probably have a choice!
Doing the same on the farm will either be ultra expensive to do, or might be rejected out right.
Cheers, Dennis!
Hi
Hope this is of some use, I looked at purchasing a small holding a few years ago and encountered several problems one of which may apply to you and is that most farmhouses / residences on a farm will be "agri-tied" this means that the residence is for individuals whose primary income is farming or for Dependants of someone whose primary income is from farming.
The agent will let you know if any properties you look at are subject to an agri tie. As a general rule of thumb if the property is cheaper than you would imagine for it's size/ land /location then it probably is as the idea of the agri tie is to keep the dwellings affordable and within the farming community.
Now this is where it gets interesting, no one will stop you from buying an agri tied property, you do not need to prove that you are involved in farming prior to the purchase, however should it be deemed by the local council that you are not farming the land after purchase (via a complaint from a local for example) then you would be evicted for not complying with the agri tie.
So you could have a couple of sheep and a goat and say you are farming?
Well we looked into that to the point were we had an appointment with first a solicitor and then a land agent to ascertain the minimum amount of sheep, goats etc we would need to live happily ever after whilst complying with the tie. Their is no legal definition of farming (hence no minimum requirements to be deemed to be farming) that can be used as a yard stick. This is relevant as you say you would be using the site as a dealership so it may be presumed that this is your primary income hence a complaint may be made from a bitter neighbor etc.
Now a guideline may be this. When applying to build a farm house the planners will only allow a house to be built of a size that would be required for tending the acerage of land or to put it another way a house that could be supported by the farming undertaken on the land available, in short you could not build a 10 bedroom mansion on 10 acres. So maybe this would give a bench mark to what would be deemed farming, i.e it would have to be of a scale that could support the house and family living on it, as well as being the "primary source" of income. This may give an indication of what you could defend as farming in a court of law should you have to.
It is possible to apply to have an agri tie lifted but the land agent we spoke to indicated this would be a lost cause. My personnel feeling of this are that the individuals that could lift the tie are unlikly to as they are protecting their own interests.
Sorry to ramble on I have assumed that you are not a farmer and by dealership it that it may not be agricultural, but I felt it worth mentioning the possibility of agri ties on properties that you may look at, my wife and I spent a lot of money researching the agri tie and what it really meant, to the point where I could quote the documents word for word for a while
Hope this is of some use, I looked at purchasing a small holding a few years ago and encountered several problems one of which may apply to you and is that most farmhouses / residences on a farm will be "agri-tied" this means that the residence is for individuals whose primary income is farming or for Dependants of someone whose primary income is from farming.
The agent will let you know if any properties you look at are subject to an agri tie. As a general rule of thumb if the property is cheaper than you would imagine for it's size/ land /location then it probably is as the idea of the agri tie is to keep the dwellings affordable and within the farming community.
Now this is where it gets interesting, no one will stop you from buying an agri tied property, you do not need to prove that you are involved in farming prior to the purchase, however should it be deemed by the local council that you are not farming the land after purchase (via a complaint from a local for example) then you would be evicted for not complying with the agri tie.
So you could have a couple of sheep and a goat and say you are farming?
Well we looked into that to the point were we had an appointment with first a solicitor and then a land agent to ascertain the minimum amount of sheep, goats etc we would need to live happily ever after whilst complying with the tie. Their is no legal definition of farming (hence no minimum requirements to be deemed to be farming) that can be used as a yard stick. This is relevant as you say you would be using the site as a dealership so it may be presumed that this is your primary income hence a complaint may be made from a bitter neighbor etc.
Now a guideline may be this. When applying to build a farm house the planners will only allow a house to be built of a size that would be required for tending the acerage of land or to put it another way a house that could be supported by the farming undertaken on the land available, in short you could not build a 10 bedroom mansion on 10 acres. So maybe this would give a bench mark to what would be deemed farming, i.e it would have to be of a scale that could support the house and family living on it, as well as being the "primary source" of income. This may give an indication of what you could defend as farming in a court of law should you have to.
It is possible to apply to have an agri tie lifted but the land agent we spoke to indicated this would be a lost cause. My personnel feeling of this are that the individuals that could lift the tie are unlikly to as they are protecting their own interests.
Sorry to ramble on I have assumed that you are not a farmer and by dealership it that it may not be agricultural, but I felt it worth mentioning the possibility of agri ties on properties that you may look at, my wife and I spent a lot of money researching the agri tie and what it really meant, to the point where I could quote the documents word for word for a while
kellys hero said:
Hi
Hope this is of some use, I looked at purchasing a small holding a few years ago and encountered several problems one of which may apply to you and is that most farmhouses / residences on a farm will be "agri-tied" this means that the residence is for individuals whose primary income is farming or for Dependants of someone whose primary income is from farming.
The agent will let you know if any properties you look at are subject to an agri tie. As a general rule of thumb if the property is cheaper than you would imagine for it's size/ land /location then it probably is as the idea of the agri tie is to keep the dwellings affordable and within the farming community.
Now this is where it gets interesting, no one will stop you from buying an agri tied property, you do not need to prove that you are involved in farming prior to the purchase, however should it be deemed by the local council that you are not farming the land after purchase (via a complaint from a local for example) then you would be evicted for not complying with the agri tie.
So you could have a couple of sheep and a goat and say you are farming?
Well we looked into that to the point were we had an appointment with first a solicitor and then a land agent to ascertain the minimum amount of sheep, goats etc we would need to live happily ever after whilst complying with the tie. Their is no legal definition of farming (hence no minimum requirements to be deemed to be farming) that can be used as a yard stick. This is relevant as you say you would be using the site as a dealership so it may be presumed that this is your primary income hence a complaint may be made from a bitter neighbor etc.
Now a guideline may be this. When applying to build a farm house the planners will only allow a house to be built of a size that would be required for tending the acerage of land or to put it another way a house that could be supported by the farming undertaken on the land available, in short you could not build a 10 bedroom mansion on 10 acres. So maybe this would give a bench mark to what would be deemed farming, i.e it would have to be of a scale that could support the house and family living on it, as well as being the "primary source" of income. This may give an indication of what you could defend as farming in a court of law should you have to.
It is possible to apply to have an agri tie lifted but the land agent we spoke to indicated this would be a lost cause. My personnel feeling of this are that the individuals that could lift the tie are unlikly to as they are protecting their own interests.
Sorry to ramble on I have assumed that you are not a farmer and by dealership it that it may not be agricultural, but I felt it worth mentioning the possibility of agri ties on properties that you may look at, my wife and I spent a lot of money researching the agri tie and what it really meant, to the point where I could quote the documents word for word for a while
Extremely helpful. Hope this is of some use, I looked at purchasing a small holding a few years ago and encountered several problems one of which may apply to you and is that most farmhouses / residences on a farm will be "agri-tied" this means that the residence is for individuals whose primary income is farming or for Dependants of someone whose primary income is from farming.
The agent will let you know if any properties you look at are subject to an agri tie. As a general rule of thumb if the property is cheaper than you would imagine for it's size/ land /location then it probably is as the idea of the agri tie is to keep the dwellings affordable and within the farming community.
Now this is where it gets interesting, no one will stop you from buying an agri tied property, you do not need to prove that you are involved in farming prior to the purchase, however should it be deemed by the local council that you are not farming the land after purchase (via a complaint from a local for example) then you would be evicted for not complying with the agri tie.
So you could have a couple of sheep and a goat and say you are farming?
Well we looked into that to the point were we had an appointment with first a solicitor and then a land agent to ascertain the minimum amount of sheep, goats etc we would need to live happily ever after whilst complying with the tie. Their is no legal definition of farming (hence no minimum requirements to be deemed to be farming) that can be used as a yard stick. This is relevant as you say you would be using the site as a dealership so it may be presumed that this is your primary income hence a complaint may be made from a bitter neighbor etc.
Now a guideline may be this. When applying to build a farm house the planners will only allow a house to be built of a size that would be required for tending the acerage of land or to put it another way a house that could be supported by the farming undertaken on the land available, in short you could not build a 10 bedroom mansion on 10 acres. So maybe this would give a bench mark to what would be deemed farming, i.e it would have to be of a scale that could support the house and family living on it, as well as being the "primary source" of income. This may give an indication of what you could defend as farming in a court of law should you have to.
It is possible to apply to have an agri tie lifted but the land agent we spoke to indicated this would be a lost cause. My personnel feeling of this are that the individuals that could lift the tie are unlikly to as they are protecting their own interests.
Sorry to ramble on I have assumed that you are not a farmer and by dealership it that it may not be agricultural, but I felt it worth mentioning the possibility of agri ties on properties that you may look at, my wife and I spent a lot of money researching the agri tie and what it really meant, to the point where I could quote the documents word for word for a while
Thanks for the info.
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