RE: Driven: Honda CR-Z
Tuesday 13th April 2010

Driven: Honda CR-Z

Has Honda really made the world's first genuinely sporty hybrid?



I really want to like the Honda CR-Z. Whatever you think of hybrids (and I can think of plenty of unpublishable but appropriate adjectives), they are here to stay. So if we have to put up with their existence, then making them sporty can be no bad thing.

Question is: can you really make a truly fun hybrid, or is the CR-Z too much of a compromise, a car that's neither sporty enough nor green enough?

Honda is certainly keen to talk up the CR-Z's sporting CV. "During the development of the CR-Z the Lotus Elise kept on inspiring us throughout the whole development process", says Terukazu Torikai, the CR-Z's chief chassis engineer. That's big talk.


Still, despite the Norfolk-sourced inspiration, Torikai-san says the CR-Z is really aiming at slightly less extreme rivals. "The base concept of this car is the fun-to-drive," he says. "We therefore wanted to realise the agile handling of the Mini and easy to drive performance for daily use."

But the CR-Z's development team are naturally going to be biased - we're not going to just take their word on the CR-Z's abilities as Gospel. Which is why I find myself at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport - to get the PH-eye view on the CR-Z. Is it indeed a Lotus-inspired Mini-beating hybrid coupe or, er, something else?


Visually the CR-Z seems to set the right tones, to these eyes at least. The bold nose has an aggression to it that telegraphs its sporting intent, while the wedgy profile will put those with long memories in mind of the chunky, nippy and well-liked 1980s CR-X. It can look a little gawky from some angles, though - whether you can forgive that is the key to whether you will like the way it looks.

The CR-Z's on-paper credentials are definitely a bit mixed, however. There's a six-speed manual gearbox (a first for a hybrid - although the original 1999 Honda Insight hybrid had a five-speed manual), which is a good thing, as is the relatively light 1198kg kerb weight.


Less exciting on paper is the 122bhp power output engine, which comes from a combination of a 113bhp 1.5-litre four-pot and a 14bhp electric motor, both driving the front wheels. This translates to a 0-62mph time of 9.9secs (10.1secs if you go for the equipment-laden top-spec version) and a top speed of 124mph - the CR-Z is not a car that is going to set the Tarmac alight.

On the road the CR-Z begins impressively. The gearchange is a typically light, accurate and direct Honda shift, while the zippy engine provides a pleasingly sharp throttle response, especially with the 'sport' mode engaged (the usage of which also tweaks the exhaust for a sportier note and firms up the electric power steering). The 6300rpm red line is disappointingly low for a company famed for its revvy motors, but the extra shove of low-down torque (available from 1500rpm) that the electric motor provides helps to make up for the absence of a stratospheric top end.


Find a decent bend or two (which we managed to do once or twice on our Dutch drive - the Swiss Alps the Netherlands is not), and the CR-Z does reveal a light-on-its-toes agility and an essentially neutral, balanced chassis. Perhaps there's something in this Elise inspiration, although the accurate but numb electronic power steering is hardly the stuff of Lotus dreams.

Push on beyond the grip limits of the modest 195/55 R16 tyres with the ESP off, however, and you'll soon experience pretty terminal understeer. Keep the electronics working, though, and the understeer is unobtrusively kept in check.


The CR-Z's brain works equally hard to keep the brakes controlled, too. A perennial problem with hybrids is how to effectively remove the electric power from the driveline, with the result that brake feel is often an unpredictable affair. The CR-Z deals with this by constantly monitoring braking pressure from both the pedal and the engine and creating a braking curve of how the driver will expect to stop. The result is a predictable, if wooden brake pedal.

The CR-Z is so close to being a modern day Ford Puma with a green twist that it hurts - a lively chassis coupled to a lively if not super-fast motor. Ultimately, though, the hybrid drivetrain forces the CR-Z to make too many compromises. Oh, and at £20k for the top-end model and £17k for the cheapest version it's hardly the bargain of the century either. Like I said, I really want to like this car. It just won't let me.

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ZesPak

Original Poster:

26,157 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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I like how Honda and Mazda are actually still trying to make sporty modells, while Toyota have given up altogether.

I still think they should make a new S2000 tough, with the face of this that could look properly amazing imo.

kambites

71,670 posts

252 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Well at least they're trying to make sporty hybrids, even if they aren't there yet.

guyforks1

12 posts

225 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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So what are the mpg figures then??

Thats the point of the whole thing right?


kambites

71,670 posts

252 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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guyforks1 said:
So what are the mpg figures then??

Thats the point of the whole thing right?
No it's not the point of the whole thing. The point is to try and produce something which is both sporty and reasonably efficient, rather than to produce something super-efficient.

FWIW, the official figure seems to be 56.5mpg. Which is a bit disappointing since it makes it slower and less efficient than the Prius, despite being lighter.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th April 10:27

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

261 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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This is the best shot i've seen of it yet:



I thought it was horribly proportioned, but it looks better in these pics. I look forward to seeing it in the metal...

Leicesterdave

2,288 posts

211 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Can't make my mind up on the way this thing looks...

Garlick

40,601 posts

271 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Oh my, I actually rather like that.....

soad

34,743 posts

207 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Doesn't do anything for me - not exciting enough. Can't help but think it'll be dull and boring to drive...perhaps i'm wrong?

pagani1

683 posts

233 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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And the list price in Japan is????? Treasure Island resurfaces???

loomx

327 posts

256 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Urgh, everything just looks wrong and out of proportion... It looks like the took a leaf out of peugeots book.

Blayney

2,949 posts

217 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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It looks upset about something. I can't stand it when cars have "sad" looking headlights. They need to be happy or agressive.. sad just makes me not want to buy it.

Varsity

90 posts

214 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Given a A for effort.

Its going in the right direction.

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

221 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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kambites said:
Well at least they're trying to make sporty hybrids, even if they aren't there yet.
Hey Kambites, remember this conversation we were having?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

They weren't far off with the weight as it turned out.

Edited by Mr Gear on Tuesday 13th April 10:48

Dagnut

3,515 posts

224 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Can't help feeling Honda have missed an opportunity with this...the rear quarter looks terrible and its should be quicker.

kambites

71,670 posts

252 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Mr Gear said:
kambites said:
Well at least they're trying to make sporty hybrids, even if they aren't there yet.
Hey Kambites, remember this conversation we were having?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

They weren't far off with the weight as it turned out.
yes True. Your estimate was closer than mine (although it actually falls somewhere between the two). smile

Unfortunately, whilst it may be lighter than I thought it would be (and I think 1200kg is an achievement in a car like this), it's also considerably less powerful (122bhp when we were expecting something like 140) so it's still slower than a Prius to 60.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th April 10:56

itz_baseline

836 posts

252 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Article Title said:
Has Honda really made the world's first genuinely sporty hybrid?
Errr no, it would appear not.

Article said:
This translates to a 0-62mph time of...10.1secs if you go for the equipment-laden top-spec version
Article said:
...you'll soon experience pretty terminal understeer
Role on the Porsche 918 Spyder.



EFS

Edited by itz_baseline on Tuesday 13th April 11:27

RobCrezz

7,892 posts

239 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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I like it.

A CR-Z Type R with the K20 engine from the Integra/Civic Type R could make it a very interesting Hybrid.

LHD

17,002 posts

218 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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Looks good.

Honda need a car to inject some elan into their range as the current line up is very boring.

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

221 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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RobCrezz said:
I like it.

A CR-Z Type R with the K20 engine from the Integra/Civic Type R could make it a very interesting Hybrid.
I bet a hotter version will come in a year or so. Although I personally wouldn't be interested- the base model is a good-looking, decent handling coupe... Provided you don't try and see it as a direct replacement for the CRX there is a lot to like.

BBS-LM

3,978 posts

255 months

Tuesday 13th April 2010
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This would have been great if it was the new Civic Type-R. Shame.