Building Regulations - Steps
Building Regulations - Steps
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AB

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20,571 posts

225 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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Probably a simple question for those of you in the know...

I arranged for a sliding patio door to be installed into my tennis club, due to the height of the building etc it was quite a high drop from the bottom of the door to the floor. Tall enough to require, IMO, a couple of steps. Certainly no older people would be able to step up - bottom of the door was perhaps knee height.

Someone said they would create a step and have done. Just one, the step down from the patio door is fine but then you still have an upper shin height step down to the ground.

Are there any legal issues here? Older people still would not be able to step up. Not a huge problem due to there being other doors but even so, stupid step IMO.

Any thoughts?

TooLateForAName

4,933 posts

214 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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ramp? Don't you have an obligation to ensure disabled access?

AB

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20,571 posts

225 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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I'm not sure, we certainly don't have disabled access at present...


lord summerisle

8,174 posts

255 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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max rise of a step in a private stair, is about 220mm, public accessable stair is about 180mm
see building reg part K - page 6
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF...

theironduke

6,995 posts

218 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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I'd check with building control if i were you. I recently did some work at some offices and with the exception of the staircase NO steps were allowed at all.

Odie

4,187 posts

212 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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lord summerisle said:
max rise of a step in a private stair, is about 220mm, public accessable stair is about 180mm
see building reg part K - page 6
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF...
Also check part m

davidjpowell

18,704 posts

214 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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You should make sure that Disabled People (not just wheelchair dependant) can access the premises. Another route would be fine though.

Landlord

12,689 posts

287 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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davidjpowell said:
You should make sure that Disabled People (not just wheelchair dependant) can access the premises. Another route would be fine though.
I understood that disabled access was only an advisory rather than a mandatory point for "private" places (i.e. rather than public amenities). i.e. You don't have to cater for disabled people but it'd be nice if you did.

GuinnessMK

1,608 posts

252 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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If you have an existing building there is no requirement to make it wheelchair accessible, unless you are doing work, in which case you shouldn't limit access or make things worse.

If you've put a new door in, I'd be making it accessible. You don't want to get sued.

Bear in mind that just putting steps / ramp in might not be enough, you may need a handrail too. If people struggle to get up / down steps and there is no handrail, you are opening yourself up to the risk of an accident and the inevitable legal action.

Have a read up of the Approved Docs on part M and part K of the Building Regs. Then consider having a chat with your local B. Regs guy. I hope the door was installed by a Fensa member? Or you'll need B. Regs for that.

You may be able to get away with producing an access statement, but as a publicly accessible space, I doubt it.


GuinnessMK

1,608 posts

252 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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Landlord said:
davidjpowell said:
You should make sure that Disabled People (not just wheelchair dependant) can access the premises. Another route would be fine though.
I understood that disabled access was only an advisory rather than a mandatory point for "private" places (i.e. rather than public amenities). i.e. You don't have to cater for disabled people but it'd be nice if you did.
I think a Tennis Club, even a members only one, would not be classified as a Private place, but as being accessible to the General Public. All it would take is a disabled person to come along, wanting to join, then find out they can't because there is no access = potential legal action.

Landlord

12,689 posts

287 months

Friday 16th April 2010
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GuinnessMK said:
Landlord said:
davidjpowell said:
You should make sure that Disabled People (not just wheelchair dependant) can access the premises. Another route would be fine though.
I understood that disabled access was only an advisory rather than a mandatory point for "private" places (i.e. rather than public amenities). i.e. You don't have to cater for disabled people but it'd be nice if you did.
I think a Tennis Club, even a members only one, would not be classified as a Private place, but as being accessible to the General Public. All it would take is a disabled person to come along, wanting to join, then find out they can't because there is no access = potential legal action.
I can't see what legal action they could bring. I'm not sure discrimination really fits as there's other clubs they could join. Our pub isn't "suitable" for disabled access and despite numerous EHO and H&S visits it's never been mentioned.

hadenough!

3,785 posts

290 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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DDA regs relate to anywhere that provides a service to the public. The idea is that a disabled person should be afforeded the same access as an able bodied person.

Theres unlikely to be an issue until a disable person decides to kick up a fuss.

I suspect this is unlikely though as they're more likely to try and get something out of larger organisations such as banks.

tonyvid

9,889 posts

273 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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I would be more worried about falling out the door then trying to climb up!

Landlord

12,689 posts

287 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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hadenough! said:
DDA regs relate to anywhere that provides a service to the public. The idea is that a disabled person should be afforeded the same access as an able bodied person.

Theres unlikely to be an issue until a disable person decides to kick up a fuss.

I suspect this is unlikely though as they're more likely to try and get something out of larger organisations such as banks.
Interesting - thanks for that. smile

NDA

25,714 posts

255 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Do many disabled people play tennis?

No offence intended.

fido

18,918 posts

285 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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NDA said:
Do many disabled people play tennis?

No offence intended.
Nope, but tennis players might have disable friends or relatives who like to watch them play tennis. Then again, i suppose it's unlikely to be enforced.

hadenough!

3,785 posts

290 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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NDA said:
Do many disabled people play tennis?

No offence intended.
Probably not, but the stance would be that if they wanted to, they should be able to.

To tell them to go elsewhere would infinge their 'uman rights.

hadenough!

3,785 posts

290 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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tonyvid said:
I would be more worried about falling out the door then trying to climb up!
Valid point.

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