Have We Gone Soft?
Discussion
Ok so watching Full Metal Jacket tonight has prompted this but have we?
In WW2 the Germans were THE HUN, in this film, what I take to be fairly realistic, along with Platoon and all other ilk, the enemy were GOOKS. Now why both are probably politically incorrect are certainly accurate.
So why do we seem to treat the afghans with a level of respect? Murdering terrorist b
ds who we are trying to bomb into oblivion but heaven forbid we should bad mouth them.!
Drop bombs on them all day to a hero's welcome, but call one a rag head and commit career suicide. What happened to baddies being baddies?
In WW2 the Germans were THE HUN, in this film, what I take to be fairly realistic, along with Platoon and all other ilk, the enemy were GOOKS. Now why both are probably politically incorrect are certainly accurate.
So why do we seem to treat the afghans with a level of respect? Murdering terrorist b
ds who we are trying to bomb into oblivion but heaven forbid we should bad mouth them.!Drop bombs on them all day to a hero's welcome, but call one a rag head and commit career suicide. What happened to baddies being baddies?
trooperiziz said:
Because we live in a world or easily accessible free information these days, so brainwashing a nation into good and evil isn't quite as easy as it used to be.
So you think they are in the right doing what they are doing? And we should now accept it because we now understand why?alliray said:
trooperiziz said:
Because we live in a world or easily accessible free information these days, so brainwashing a nation into good and evil isn't quite as easy as it used to be.
So you think they are in the right doing what they are doing? And we should now accept it because we now understand why?
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
alliray said:
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
or perhaps the question should be "if you're prepared to bomb a people into oblivion, do you have to hate them first?"Pothole said:
alliray said:
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
or perhaps the question should be "if you're prepared to bomb a people into oblivion, do you have to hate them first?"War has become an economic commodity, hence my comment about not being allowed to say anything derogetory about the enemy. What they gonna do? Sue you? Along with damages for their f
ked up buildings?Edited by alliray on Saturday 17th April 00:51
alliray said:
Pothole said:
alliray said:
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
or perhaps the question should be "if you're prepared to bomb a people into oblivion, do you have to hate them first?"War has become an economic commodity, hence my comment about not being allowed to say anything derogetory about the enemy. What they gonna do? Sue you? Along with damages for their f
ked up buildings?Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th April 00:51
Think about it. Go into Afghanistan acting all gung ho, disrespecting the locals how long do you thing before they all turned against you?
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
alliray said:
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
Not sure the Taliban have an airforce, and pretty damned certain that people who kill face to face have never celebrated quantity.
alliray said:
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
Shaid GTB said:
alliray said:
Pothole said:
alliray said:
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
or perhaps the question should be "if you're prepared to bomb a people into oblivion, do you have to hate them first?"War has become an economic commodity, hence my comment about not being allowed to say anything derogetory about the enemy. What they gonna do? Sue you? Along with damages for their f
ked up buildings?Edited by alliray on Saturday 17th April 00:51
Think about it. Go into Afghanistan acting all gung ho, disrespecting the locals how long do you thing before they all turned against you?
Edited by alliray on Saturday 17th April 01:10
alliray said:
Pothole said:
alliray said:
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
or perhaps the question should be "if you're prepared to bomb a people into oblivion, do you have to hate them first?"War has become an economic commodity, hence my comment about not being allowed to say anything derogetory about the enemy. What they gonna do? Sue you? Along with damages for their f
ked up buildings?Edited by alliray on Saturday 17th April 00:51
alliray said:
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
You're a bigot who's searching for an excuse.
Shaid GTB said:
alliray said:
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
kING ARMY not St Johns Ambulance. Last time I looked Army involved going to war and killing people, and last time I looked in this country it was VOLUNTARY!alliray said:
Shaid GTB said:
alliray said:
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
kING ARMY not St Johns Ambulance. Last time I looked Army involved going to war and killing people, and last time I looked in this country it was VOLUNTARY!spud989 said:
alliray said:
spud989 said:
Thinly disguised racism is thinly disguised.
Shame on you you clueless idiot. Come back and talk to me when you have obtained an education!OK in laymans terms (for the idiots who don't understand my point).
When a soldier or pilot killed three enemies in previous wars he was a hero or an ace\ now he's given a sympathetic ear as a victim because he's had to kill a few enemies.
You're a bigot who's searching for an excuse.
alliray said:
Shaid GTB said:
alliray said:
Pothole said:
alliray said:
OK point taken, maybe I didn't make my point clear enough though. How about "drop as much heavy ordnance on them as you require but don't call them nasty names" My point is that if you are at war you are at war. If you are prepared to bomb a people into oblivion (which as a nation we are) should it matter how you refer to them.
or perhaps the question should be "if you're prepared to bomb a people into oblivion, do you have to hate them first?"War has become an economic commodity, hence my comment about not being allowed to say anything derogetory about the enemy. What they gonna do? Sue you? Along with damages for their f
ked up buildings?Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th April 00:51
Think about it. Go into Afghanistan acting all gung ho, disrespecting the locals how long do you thing before they all turned against you?
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th April 01:10
The girls and boys who are there need to maintain trust and respect from the locals in order to gather intelligence, weed out the Taliban etc.
If you merely went in there and trod all over the Afghans then the army would be having an even harder time trying to fight the 'enemy' which would mean a hell of a lot more coffins being driven through Wootton Bassett and even more likelyhood of attacks in the UK.
Full Metal Jacket is a good film however today is reality. If you fail to understand that then....
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