Does NASCAR need rain tyres?
Does NASCAR need rain tyres?
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PabloTeK

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1,073 posts

204 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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Title says it all really, with the Samsung 500 at Texas looking iffy thanks to the rain one wonders why a top level motorsport has no rain tyres, even for road racing! Nationwide cars have them but can't use them on ovals, not even short tracks... Seem a bit odd to anyone else?

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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They have enough trouble avoiding each other in the dry. Can you imagine the spray within an oval, and with the lower grip etc. I suspect it'd rapidly become the "last man standing" type race to decide the winner.

dpbird90

5,535 posts

219 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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Munter said:
They have enough trouble avoiding each other in the dry. Can you imagine the spray within an oval, and with the lower grip etc. I suspect it'd rapidly become the "last man standing" type race to decide the winner.
That sounds pretty interesting...

Asterix

24,438 posts

257 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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dpbird90 said:
Munter said:
They have enough trouble avoiding each other in the dry. Can you imagine the spray within an oval, and with the lower grip etc. I suspect it'd rapidly become the "last man standing" type race to decide the winner.
That sounds pretty interesting...
That's what I was thinking hehe

Crafty_

14,084 posts

229 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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It seems to be a bit dumb to be racing in TX when April and May has high average rainfall (May is the highest overall).

Joe911

2,763 posts

264 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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It does seem odd doesn't it - a rain delay until Monday seems relatively common - and how many of the attending fans would be in a position to bunk off work and watch the race live on the Monday!

hot metal

2,019 posts

222 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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The Yanks simply dont race on ovals in the wet.

PUSSIES evil

belleair302

7,008 posts

236 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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With the money in NASCAR today they should design ovals with better drainage and I think that the cars should run with wet weather tyres and wipers. If the fans pay the drivers and NASCAR should deliver. F1 races, IRL races, DTM, Le Mans all drive unless the weather is dreadful, so why not NASCAR.

scubadude

2,619 posts

226 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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belleair302 said:
With the money in NASCAR today they should design ovals with better drainage
:-) I know what you mean but just think about it.... these tracks should drain better than any others!

Logie

835 posts

245 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Sure they have tested wet tyres, cant remember the crap excuse though why they dont run them. They seemed to work fine, just think its the speed around corners = big accidents

Russ35

2,702 posts

268 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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They did try to run in the wet on a circuit track a couple of years back. Some had a single wiper, one ended up using a sponge on the end of a stick when his wiper failed.


They are finally about to start this weekends race from Texas Motor Speedway that was rained off on Saturday and Sunday. On channel 190 on Sky if you want to watch. Fastest oval that they race at.


LoudV8

933 posts

292 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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Logie said:
Sure they have tested wet tyres, cant remember the crap excuse though why they dont run them. They seemed to work fine, just think its the speed around corners = big accidents
They seem to manage that quite well in the dry...

dpbird90

5,535 posts

219 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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LoudV8 said:
Logie said:
Sure they have tested wet tyres, cant remember the crap excuse though why they dont run them. They seemed to work fine, just think its the speed around corners = big accidents
They seem to manage that quite well in the dry...
yeah, that 13 car smash last night looked pretty spectacular. I'm seriously considering hopping on a plane in the summer break and going over to watch a few races, I've really got into it this season, and although I'm having to justin.tv it (no sky at uni halls) it's pretty damn good.

PabloTeK

Original Poster:

1,073 posts

204 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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dpbird90 said:
LoudV8 said:
Logie said:
Sure they have tested wet tyres, cant remember the crap excuse though why they dont run them. They seemed to work fine, just think its the speed around corners = big accidents
They seem to manage that quite well in the dry...
yeah, that 13 car smash last night looked pretty spectacular. I'm seriously considering hopping on a plane in the summer break and going over to watch a few races, I've really got into it this season, and although I'm having to justin.tv it (no sky at uni halls) it's pretty damn good.
Any room in luggage? I'm gonna head over in 2012 or so to catch a race or two, much better than the early 2000's!

308mate

13,758 posts

251 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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belleair302 said:
With the money in NASCAR today they should design ovals with better drainage and I think that the cars should run with wet weather tyres and wipers. If the fans pay the drivers and NASCAR should deliver. F1 races, IRL races, DTM, Le Mans all drive unless the weather is dreadful, so why not NASCAR.
I'd love to hear your theory on this. Perhaps more of a crown on the surface?

As said above, the racing is too close and the spray would be too much. There are less reference points for a driver to rely on in low visibility and the speeds are too high to go ploughing into someone you didnt see until you hit him. Plus there is no run-off for cars to spin onto to be out of the way etc etc

Texas may have higher rainfall in May than the rest of the year, but how does that compare with the rest of the South's rainfall in May? Probably still drier than most.

I would suggest that the only way it could be run safely would be at speeds that simply arent worth watching. Ive heard it said by the commentators that if you could stand alongside a NASCAR mid corner, simply pushing the inside rear 1/4 panel with your hand would be enough to spin it out. Im not sure thats going to fit well when you take 20-30% of the grip away.

Edited by 308mate on Tuesday 20th April 16:43

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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True enough; NASCARs have been designed specifically to limit aero grip - take a look at the massive chunk out of the boot floor to stop any diffuser like effect. It's all mechanical grip, which means once you get into the wet there would be no grip at all.

hornet

6,333 posts

279 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Even if they could engineer some sort of wet setup for ovals, the spray would render the job of the spotters impossible. Can't see how you could have a safe oval races without the spotters to be honest.

MissChief

7,977 posts

197 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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The reason they don't run rain tyres is that the corners are usually more steeply banked than the straights. Because of this the corners will dry out faster than the straights making for wet/dry/wet/dry laps meaning wet tyres overheat and become useless and dry tyres make the cars slip off the roads. At least that's what I've been told in the past.