What if it's not the vulcano at all?

[Adrian W]

Yesterday someone said to me what if it's all a terrerist plot or something similar and the media are feeding us wahatever the goverments are telling them, I hadnt thought of it like that but I hadn't questioned what I was being told. One for the conspiracy theorists

[bob1179]

Step One - Check internet for relevant conspiracy stories.

Step Two - Affix tinfoil hat firmly in place.

Step Three - Hide under desk with hat until apparent danger goes away.

Step Four - Go back to Step One.

[Silver993tt]

So how do you fabricate a huge volcanic eruption that is visible to the world and clearly belching ash that's tracked by various satellites? There is ash settling at ground level over the whole of northern Europe, how do you fabricate that?

[Adrian W]

Silver993tt said:

So how do you fabricate a huge volcanic eruption that is visible to the world and clearly belching ash that's tracked by various satellites? There is ash settling at ground level over the whole of northern Europe, how do you fabricate that?

There is no argument about the volcano, but what if it's not the volcano that is grounding the planes?

[jazzybee]

My mother and I have been having this very discussion over the weekend. This is far to big a cost to bare for the risk, surely?

I think it could be one great social experiement by the EU. See how we could survive and adapt if they had to shut down plane travel. And, I think it has been going very well. People are making use of alternative travel arrangements, are generally taking it well, the sky is beautiful, its been a very peaceful weekend and generally I have found London a lot less 'rushed' as normal - people are calmer.

could be due to the Green influence, some massive impending flight tax, some major pollutants found in aviation exhaust or on-going terrorist threat that may lead to a long-term time with no or significantly fewer flights. This weekend has given a window onto how we would deal with it, and where the demand for alternatives would be.

[JMGS4]

Test flights by Air Berlin and Lufthansa have measured NO ASH and no damage on Saturday... so lets start the conspiracy theories!!!!
Trouble is that the british meteorologists panicked so gave advice that all should be shut down. British NATS being aware of ambulance chasing lawyers and stupid "elf n safety" crap panicked. There IS and WAS a reason not to fly into the direct plume (see Anchorage Airport history as well as others) but the minimal amount over central Europe did not warrant a airspace closure IMHO.... and a lot of very experienced pilots agree!!

[JulianHJ]

This ban seems like a load of od bks to me.

- The test flights haven't crashed.
- If the ash cloud is at altitude why not just route aircraft in and out of the region at 10,000 ft?
- Looks like the airlines have had enough and they'll be some major lobbying to get the ban lifted ASAP.

I'm getting really bored of it now. Odds on it's an over-cautious arse-covering exercise.

[Yeast Lord]

Silver993tt said:

So how do you fabricate a huge volcanic eruption that is visible to the world and clearly belching ash that's tracked by various satellites? There is ash settling at ground level over the whole of northern Europe, how do you fabricate that?

UFO tech, they have it and won't tell us. Legalise freedom!

[Silver993tt]

There is no conspiracy. Yes there is a volcano erupting producing lots of ash. No it isn't dangerous for aircraft to f;ly as proved by various airlines (including BA) of the last few days.

The reason there's an airspace closure is due to the pathetic UK government panicking other governments in being stupidly over cautious. I'm sure a number of people have died due to the stress this whole situation has caused but of course they will not be registered as statistics of this dumb move by the government.

Austria has just opened it's airspace, so why doesn't the UK??

A whole heap of usual British rubbish.

[speedchick]

Just because the engines didn't stop, doesn't meant that it's not doing any damage to the aircraft, we just don't know yet, and it did damage at least one Finnish F18, and that was on Thursday, before the airspace was closed.

I haven't heard if the planes that have been sent up to check have been sent for a detailed overhaul, just to see if the dust has left a ticking time bomb somewhere in/on/around the planes and their various systems, there could be some of this glassy dust that has got into small areas of engines, rudders, rubber seals etc, and could potentially be in a position to erode/damage where they are with continued airflow over them.

[Silver993tt]

speedchick said:

Just because the engines didn't stop, doesn't meant that it's not doing any damage to the aircraft, we just don't know yet, and it did damage at least one Finnish F18, and that was on Thursday, before the airspace was closed.

I haven't heard if the planes that have been sent up to check have been sent for a detailed overhaul, just to see if the dust has left a ticking time bomb somewhere in/on/around the planes and their various systems, there could be some of this glassy dust that has got into small areas of engines, rudders, rubber seals etc, and could potentially be in a position to erode/damage where they are with continued airflow over them.

KLM & Lufthansa have checked their aircraft after their test flights and not a thing found. Germany is lobbying to get the airpsce opened and Austria has actually opened it's airspace as of around 30mins ago.


The ulitnate in nannying from a state

[speedchick]

Silver993tt said:

speedchick said:

Just because the engines didn't stop, doesn't meant that it's not doing any damage to the aircraft, we just don't know yet, and it did damage at least one Finnish F18, and that was on Thursday, before the airspace was closed.

I haven't heard if the planes that have been sent up to check have been sent for a detailed overhaul, just to see if the dust has left a ticking time bomb somewhere in/on/around the planes and their various systems, there could be some of this glassy dust that has got into small areas of engines, rudders, rubber seals etc, and could potentially be in a position to erode/damage where they are with continued airflow over them.

KLM & Lufthansa have checked their aircraft after their test flights and not a thing found. Germany is lobbying to get the airpsce opened and Austria has actually opened it's airspace as of around 30mins ago.


The ulitnate in nannying from a state

wow, I thought a check like that would be something along the lines of a C or D check, they managed to get that done in record time!

[chris watton]

I don't believe it too, as I watched the drama documentary 2012, and many a plane just simply flew in and out of these volcanic clouds without a problem!

(still stranded myself.....)

[JMGS4]

Silver993tt said:

KLM & Lufthansa have checked their aircraft after their test flights and not a thing found. Germany is lobbying to get the airpsce opened and Austria has actually opened it's airspace as of around 30mins ago.
The ulitnate in nannying from a state

OR Gordon the Moron Broon actually trying to whip up panic so he can declare a state of emergency and cancel the election.....
no I don't believe that!

[croyde]

Got me thinking that would not the long term outcome of no planes be a benefit to the UK.

We would have to start our own manufacturing again. Everything from toys to cars.

Start the mines again.

Get agricultural farming again.

Cheaper goods for us on our island state.

More jobs for all.

[JMGS4]

croyde said:

More jobs for all.

You'd have difficulty getting 5 million on the dole and various relief back to work. It's too good a life doing nothing, eating Mcst, smoking fags and boozing all day in front of the wide screen telly.

[ln1234]

speedchick said:

Just because the engines didn't stop, doesn't meant that it's not doing any damage to the aircraft, we just don't know yet, and it did damage at least one Finnish F18, and that was on Thursday, before the airspace was closed.

I haven't heard if the planes that have been sent up to check have been sent for a detailed overhaul, just to see if the dust has left a ticking time bomb somewhere in/on/around the planes and their various systems, there could be some of this glassy dust that has got into small areas of engines, rudders, rubber seals etc, and could potentially be in a position to erode/damage where they are with continued airflow over them.

From the BBC Link

BBC said:

While several airlines carried out test flights and reported planes showing no obvious damage after flying through the ash, a scientific test flight over Britain concluded that the situation could still be dangerous.

Dr Guy Gratton, who was part of the scientific team, said: "It's still quite a complex mixture of clear air and very worrying but invisible volcanic ash at all sorts of heights."

Anyone got any more information on that?

[croyde]

JMGS4 said:

croyde said:

More jobs for all.

You'd have difficulty getting 5 million on the dole and various relief back to work. It's too good a life doing nothing, eating Mcst, smoking fags and boozing all day in front of the wide screen telly.

Sadly true

I was hoping that the creme de la creme of camera crews would be stuck in Europe somewhere leaving me and a few mates to pick up the lucrative stuff back here.

[croyde]

From BBC news:

"One measure being discussed by the British government is the possibility of deploying the Royal Navy to collect some of the estimated 150,000 Britons who are stranded abroad."

Now that's the old Dunkirk British spirit.

[Morningside]

Perhaps its a massive dust cloud from the nuclear obliteration of N. Korea?

Tin foil hat? Nah, im on full alert!