Cut 'n' Shut
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JB!

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5,255 posts

210 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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i'd never physically seen one... until now:











this car belongs to a friend, bought as a mk2 16v gti. was discovered to be rotten and so was stripped for bits to re-shell. i was shocked at the rot:





we saw repairs and thought it was a bad repair on the sill that had rotten... clearly not.

bit suprised considering how much stick it got when it was driven and that i was sat pretty much directly above the joining point!!! eek

be careful when picking up a cheap hot hatch...

shalmaneser

6,451 posts

225 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Thats really interesting.

Thing that always confused me is how much it must cost/all the effort involved to do the work, and the car can't be worth much afterwards, given that a cut and shut no matter how well hidden is always going to be a bit of a ropey car...

Hippycake

7,820 posts

203 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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unlucky mate, hope you get a genuine bargain next time smile

amir_j

3,579 posts

231 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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shalmaneser said:
Thats really interesting.

Thing that always confused me is how much it must cost/all the effort involved to do the work, and the car can't be worth much afterwards, given that a cut and shut no matter how well hidden is always going to be a bit of a ropey car...
rofl

The cut and shutter sells on without disclosing- a lot of people won't know enough about cars & will go for the 'too good to be true' bargain price. A fool and his money as the saying goes.

mattley

3,038 posts

252 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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I'm guessing a Mk2 Golf given the text in the originl post smile

ETA: Damn, I knew I should have quoted biggrin

Edited by mattley on Monday 19th April 18:52

JB!

Original Poster:

5,255 posts

210 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Hippycake said:
unlucky mate, hope you get a genuine bargain next time smile
it wasnt that cheap when he bought it... £1400, 100k on it, but scruffy but a rolling project... came with history too!

i felt bad pointing out rot on the outside of the A-pillars when i first saw it, about halfway up...

he got it on ramps at work, saw the sills and went and bought a replacement shell!

just shocking that it had 6 months mOT when he bought it... there's bent MOT's then there's WTF????

crazy stuff.

amir_j

3,579 posts

231 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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JB! said:
Hippycake said:
unlucky mate, hope you get a genuine bargain next time smile
it wasnt that cheap when he bought it... £1400, 100k on it, but scruffy but a rolling project... came with history too!

i felt bad pointing out rot on the outside of the A-pillars when i first saw it, about halfway up...

he got it on ramps at work, saw the sills and went and bought a replacement shell!

just shocking that it had 6 months mOT when he bought it... there's bent MOT's then there's WTF????

crazy stuff.
maybe worth reporting the MOT place?

shalmaneser

6,451 posts

225 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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amir_j said:
shalmaneser said:
Thats really interesting.

Thing that always confused me is how much it must cost/all the effort involved to do the work, and the car can't be worth much afterwards, given that a cut and shut no matter how well hidden is always going to be a bit of a ropey car...
rofl

The cut and shutter sells on without disclosing- a lot of people won't know enough about cars & will go for the 'too good to be true' bargain price. A fool and his money as the saying goes.
I know that perfectly well, hence the use of the word 'hidden' in my post.

My point is the effort involved in sourcing two cars of the same colour (or getting the final creation sprayed), stripping it out, taking the time to weld it together, replacing the sills, roof panel etc and putting it all back together is a lot of work.

The car when finished will have no service history to speak of, maybe it's been clocked but will look well used (unlikely to find two identical written off cars in perfect condition) and the hassle and potential for trouble or recriminations when it comes to selling it...

I just don't see the finances working out, but maybe you're right and people will buy a 'bargain' car no matter what the condition.


JB!

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5,255 posts

210 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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amir_j said:
JB! said:
Hippycake said:
unlucky mate, hope you get a genuine bargain next time smile
it wasnt that cheap when he bought it... £1400, 100k on it, but scruffy but a rolling project... came with history too!

i felt bad pointing out rot on the outside of the A-pillars when i first saw it, about halfway up...

he got it on ramps at work, saw the sills and went and bought a replacement shell!

just shocking that it had 6 months mOT when he bought it... there's bent MOT's then there's WTF????

crazy stuff.
maybe worth reporting the MOT place?
will suggest it, i mean, i know of places when you dont have to worry about decat's and stuff but this is something else!!!

a few of us offered to pay postage if he cut out the sill to send to the previous owner, now i reckon just pictures will suffice!!!

fieldl

1,320 posts

261 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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It was probably done in the 80's though when cut and shut was all the rage, all this was nowt but fields and Golf GTi's were worth much more than £1400.

exgtt

2,067 posts

242 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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shalmaneser said:
Thats really interesting.

Thing that always confused me is how much it must cost/all the effort involved to do the work, and the car can't be worth much afterwards, given that a cut and shut no matter how well hidden is always going to be a bit of a ropey car...
The work was probably done years ago when mk2 GTI's were new and pulling in good money. (edit, sorry fieldl to mirror your comms above, my internet conection is really effing slow)

OP, must have felt mad seeing that after travelling in the car. I remember on the news years ago when a young lad in a 205 GTI was killed when his car broke in half.

Edited by exgtt on Monday 19th April 19:06

JB!

Original Poster:

5,255 posts

210 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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fieldl said:
It was probably done in the 80's though when cut and shut was all the rage, all this was nowt but fields and Golf GTi's were worth much more than £1400.
hehe

there was a "gap" in its history, so i reckon we could get it to within 12 months...

fieldl

1,320 posts

261 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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The guy that did it must have been welding genius to have lasted 20+ years. Not a bad job when you consider the type of abuse I suspect the car has seen.

JB!

Original Poster:

5,255 posts

210 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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fieldl said:
The guy that did it must have been welding genius to have lasted 20+ years. Not a bad job when you consider the type of abuse I suspect the car has seen.


F? 1988 ish? we'll find the gap and get a rough year.

busta

4,504 posts

263 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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fieldl said:
The guy that did it must have been welding genius to have lasted 20+ years. Not a bad job when you consider the type of abuse I suspect the car has seen.
Yes, it appears the car is rusting away around the welds, not the welds themselves!

Hitch78

6,119 posts

224 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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In the UAE you can easily buy a new front or back for most popular models.

There's a place called Sharjah which is next to Dubai where there is a road where there are dozens of scrap yards selling Lexus, Toyota, Honda 'fronts.'

Shocking.

Beyond Rational

3,544 posts

245 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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JB! said:
amir_j said:
JB! said:
Hippycake said:
unlucky mate, hope you get a genuine bargain next time smile
it wasnt that cheap when he bought it... £1400, 100k on it, but scruffy but a rolling project... came with history too!

i felt bad pointing out rot on the outside of the A-pillars when i first saw it, about halfway up...

he got it on ramps at work, saw the sills and went and bought a replacement shell!

just shocking that it had 6 months mOT when he bought it... there's bent MOT's then there's WTF????

crazy stuff.
maybe worth reporting the MOT place?
will suggest it, i mean, i know of places when you dont have to worry about decat's and stuff but this is something else!!!

a few of us offered to pay postage if he cut out the sill to send to the previous owner, now i reckon just pictures will suffice!!!
I'd report it. Imagine what the insurers would say if anything had happened whilst driving this thing?

loose cannon

6,057 posts

271 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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fieldl said:
The guy that did it must have been welding genius to have lasted 20+ years. Not a bad job when you consider the type of abuse I suspect the car has seen.
well the spotwelds at the factory can last that long,so why not the welding of a decent welder ?
most restored cars should be falling apart more !
hang on a minute they do dont they think i best shut up now

Edited by loose cannon on Monday 19th April 20:07

JB!

Original Poster:

5,255 posts

210 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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loose cannon said:
fieldl said:
The guy that did it must have been welding genius to have lasted 20+ years. Not a bad job when you consider the type of abuse I suspect the car has seen.
well the spotwelds at the factory can last that long,so why not the gas welding ?
spot welds are at overlaps etc, these welds, are not.

Morningside

24,147 posts

259 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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What about underneath? Can you see the weld there? When was the car taken off the road as I would have thought that the floor would be picked up on the MOT.

Edited by Morningside on Monday 19th April 20:08