Is this redundancy?
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A mate of mine, a mechanic has worked for a transport company for about ten years. They are now going to close the workshops and farm out most the work on the vans and cars.
They are offering him a job to do the basic servicing, changing brake pads and minor repairs, then sending all the more complicated stuff out. They’re tarting it up a bit by calling the position transport manager and offering a small pay rise.
Being a fully qualified mechanic, with diplomas for mechanics, auto electrical and a foundation degree in engineering, he isn’t keen on spending his days changing brake pads like a quick fit fitter.
Question is, if he doesn’t want the job is he being made redundant and entitled to redundancy?
They are offering him a job to do the basic servicing, changing brake pads and minor repairs, then sending all the more complicated stuff out. They’re tarting it up a bit by calling the position transport manager and offering a small pay rise.
Being a fully qualified mechanic, with diplomas for mechanics, auto electrical and a foundation degree in engineering, he isn’t keen on spending his days changing brake pads like a quick fit fitter.
Question is, if he doesn’t want the job is he being made redundant and entitled to redundancy?
john_p said:
Just looking at it another way - sounds like a good opportunity to work as the "Transport Manager" for 6 months, then get a new job on the back of this experience .. could be a good career move?
How I would look at it.Sounds like he could do the physical work standing on his head and leave time to learn more about being a Transport Manager with a view to bigger and better things.
Sorry, don't know enough about the topic to advise fully on your question though.
Edited by Rude-boy on Tuesday 20th April 12:07
Yeah but, he has been going to college weekly for 7 years to get the where he is. He dos'nt want to be a Transport Manager. He wants to be a Motor Mechanic.
In spite of the title the position will involve little more than taking cars to be repaired and replacing brake pads.
All besides the point really. If your department is closed down and you're offered a job you're not qualified for and don't want are you being made redundant?
In spite of the title the position will involve little more than taking cars to be repaired and replacing brake pads.
All besides the point really. If your department is closed down and you're offered a job you're not qualified for and don't want are you being made redundant?
aussiebruce said:
Yeah but, he has been going to college weekly for 7 years to get the where he is. He dos'nt want to be a Transport Manager. He wants to be a Motor Mechanic.
In spite of the title the position will involve little more than taking cars to be repaired and replacing brake pads.
All besides the point really. If your department is closed down and you're offered a job you're not qualified for and don't want are you being made redundant?
In the current environment , I would take the job and look for another. Redundancy is not all it is cracked up to be. It is another way of saying "I am unemployed once the redundancy money runs out"In spite of the title the position will involve little more than taking cars to be repaired and replacing brake pads.
All besides the point really. If your department is closed down and you're offered a job you're not qualified for and don't want are you being made redundant?
As usual the devil is in the detail. Is it an outsource/TUPE scenario? Is there a reduction in work fo this department? Who else is in this department and what are their resepctive roles/duties? What is your friend's current job role/description? How is it affected by the changes and can it be quantified? Even if the current role is redundant then by the sounds of it he has an offer of a suitable alternative.
aussiebruce said:
Yeah but, he has been going to college weekly for 7 years to get the where he is. He dos'nt want to be a Transport Manager. He wants to be a Motor Mechanic.
In spite of the title the position will involve little more than taking cars to be repaired and replacing brake pads.
All besides the point really. If your department is closed down and you're offered a job you're not qualified for and don't want are you being made redundant?
If they are closing the workshop down and have outsourced to an external company, he should be TUPE'd over to that external company and employed on his original contract there.In spite of the title the position will involve little more than taking cars to be repaired and replacing brake pads.
All besides the point really. If your department is closed down and you're offered a job you're not qualified for and don't want are you being made redundant?
As to whether he can be promoted to a different job on more money and whether he can turn that down or not is another matter.
I suggest he contacts his local CAB.
Contracts in my company (a large multinational bank) give us the right to re-assign people as and when we deem appropriate.
Obviously, you can't move someone from CEO to mail-boy but so long as we maintain their pay and grade, we can pretty much do whatever.
This is certainly not redundancy.
Obviously, you can't move someone from CEO to mail-boy but so long as we maintain their pay and grade, we can pretty much do whatever.
This is certainly not redundancy.
mcbook said:
Contracts in my company (a large multinational bank) give us the right to re-assign people as and when we deem appropriate.
Obviously, you can't move someone from CEO to mail-boy but so long as we maintain their pay and grade, we can pretty much do whatever.
This is certainly not redundancy.
The law also places a duty on employers to seek suitable alternative employment in redundancy cases, which is what is happening here, it appears.Obviously, you can't move someone from CEO to mail-boy but so long as we maintain their pay and grade, we can pretty much do whatever.
This is certainly not redundancy.
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