Shafted by Gordon AGAIN !!!!!
Discussion
For those of us who a number years had company cars and opted for an allowance and mileage payment I see that from April this anti car Government is dictating to the companies the amount they can pay us in mileage. At my company we are paid 30p per mile and this was under review to increase it due to higher fuel costs etc, however under the old tax scheme you were entitled to 65p per mile and at the end of the year claim the short fall. From April I will now be paid 25p per mile due to my allowance with the upper payment of 40p per mile for non-allowance receivers.
This p***es me off as it is another way of penalising the motorist and allegedly supposed to be an incentive for us to buy smaller cars, OK I would not mind paying 85% tax on fuel, high road tax, tax on insurance, high PAYE, tax on my company phone, tax on my company supplied health care (Still pay full national insurance) if I could see something positive. I Don't !!!
Hospitals cannot cope, a 3rd world system, inferior schools, roads and infrastructure that is falling apart, we treat our pensioners like crap, it seems the working man or lady is slowly being drained of any disposable income they use to make their working life bearable. I do not wish to be political but what have we gained from this government, unfortunately the minorities in this country seemed to be better cared for that the working person.
Rant over !!!!
This p***es me off as it is another way of penalising the motorist and allegedly supposed to be an incentive for us to buy smaller cars, OK I would not mind paying 85% tax on fuel, high road tax, tax on insurance, high PAYE, tax on my company phone, tax on my company supplied health care (Still pay full national insurance) if I could see something positive. I Don't !!!
Hospitals cannot cope, a 3rd world system, inferior schools, roads and infrastructure that is falling apart, we treat our pensioners like crap, it seems the working man or lady is slowly being drained of any disposable income they use to make their working life bearable. I do not wish to be political but what have we gained from this government, unfortunately the minorities in this country seemed to be better cared for that the working person.
Rant over !!!!
In truth your company can pay you what they like, however if the go over the stated milage allowances they have to pay class 1B NIC on it.
But yes you're right in priniple, pile more onto employers and back door taxes, keep headline rates low so dimwits think they're better off and hope they get re elected.
The thing that astonishes me is that if this were a conservative government there would have been uproar but everyone seems to want to think it's alright now.
But yes you're right in priniple, pile more onto employers and back door taxes, keep headline rates low so dimwits think they're better off and hope they get re elected.
The thing that astonishes me is that if this were a conservative government there would have been uproar but everyone seems to want to think it's alright now.
So has the b@stard reduced fuel tax by 265%? to 85% then or do you mean fuel tax is still 350% and the price of fuel has remained the same. This kind of thing is important. I know I might sound like a bit of a twit but if we say fuel tax is 350% in general conversation the rest of the numpties will eventually get the message. For this reason I always use the full name of of various government sponsored devices. Such as "Traffic jam lights" "Really dangerous speed bumps" "revenue gathering cameras" and in reference to the overall stupidity "The cars are bad and drugs are good campaign" I also bame everything on global warming, no matter how obscure. If only 50 of us use this terminology eventually the whole population will follow suit and and even the media will have to use it. Then it will sink the gr$$ns without a trace.
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Hospitals cannot cope, a 3rd world system, inferior schools, roads and infrastructure that is falling apart, we treat our pensioners like crap, it seems the working man or lady is slowly being drained of any disposable income they use to make their working life bearable. I do not wish to be political but what have we gained from this government, unfortunately the minorities in this country seemed to be better cared for that the working person.
Rant over !!!!
Well said... an remember, If you put something aside for your old age and then need the care that you have paid for via National Insurance etc, they will have your house off you, and in any case decrease any benefits you should receive against your savings.
This country panders to the feckless and penalises those of us who try and help ourselves.
Hmmph..
Matt.
We got warned about this by our Accountant last year. Basically the tax situation works out as:
Company Car (small, sh*t, unsuitable for job but with low CO2 emissions e.g. Toyota Prius): MASSIVE TAX ADVANTAGE under the new scheme.
Company Car (e.g. Vectra 2.0: nothing fancy) MASSIVE ADDITIONAL TAX BILL.
Own Car: You can no longer claim back the full cost of motoring tax free.
I'm not voting for this lot. You shouldn't either.
Company Car (small, sh*t, unsuitable for job but with low CO2 emissions e.g. Toyota Prius): MASSIVE TAX ADVANTAGE under the new scheme.
Company Car (e.g. Vectra 2.0: nothing fancy) MASSIVE ADDITIONAL TAX BILL.
Own Car: You can no longer claim back the full cost of motoring tax free.
I'm not voting for this lot. You shouldn't either.
To be honest Don, I'm wondering what the alternative is.. whoever is in power will have demands on them to deliver on the NHS, schools, crime etc.. and it all costs money which has to come from us lot - problem is that putting up income tax would be political and economic suicide for any government now, so whoever was in power would need to resort to 'stealth taxes' or whatever in order to raise funds..
In any case, I don't want to start a party political rant here, because they're all as bad as each other and they all make my blood boil.
In any case, I don't want to start a party political rant here, because they're all as bad as each other and they all make my blood boil.
I do feel really feel sorry for company car drivers...being forced to drive diesels and still getting shafted....surely there's got to be something ECHR about this 
Seriously though, I don't think it would make any difference which party was in power. One party is much like the other. All haemorrhage money left right and centre, the in turn tax the hard working o make up for their mistakes...
Seriously though, I don't think it would make any difference which party was in power. One party is much like the other. All haemorrhage money left right and centre, the in turn tax the hard working o make up for their mistakes...
M@H - don't get me started about f*****g pensions!!!
When Herr Tony came to power, they scrapped the Advance Corporation Tax (ACT) benefits enjoyed by Pension Funds without getting so much as a murmur from the press or public. In fairness, this probably has a lot to do with both ignorance of most people(myself included) about pensions and the ACT, and secrecy on the funds parts about how the funds are managed and charged.
This was (as CarZee points out) yet another stealth tax, and fair play, it's really worked hasn't it?
I suppose if one thing has come out of the last few years, it is that Labour MP's seem to be just as corrupt - Peter Mandlesons crooked house, John Prescott's son buying up council property in Hull etc. etc. - as any other party, and sadly I can't see a viable alternative either.
When Herr Tony came to power, they scrapped the Advance Corporation Tax (ACT) benefits enjoyed by Pension Funds without getting so much as a murmur from the press or public. In fairness, this probably has a lot to do with both ignorance of most people(myself included) about pensions and the ACT, and secrecy on the funds parts about how the funds are managed and charged.
This was (as CarZee points out) yet another stealth tax, and fair play, it's really worked hasn't it?
I suppose if one thing has come out of the last few years, it is that Labour MP's seem to be just as corrupt - Peter Mandlesons crooked house, John Prescott's son buying up council property in Hull etc. etc. - as any other party, and sadly I can't see a viable alternative either.
sorry.. its all true though.. I'm currently trying to work out a scheme whereby my Grandparents don't loose their house if my Gran goes into care... signing it over to me won't work as the Government can put a charge on it or something... or look into their history and deem the transaction invalid...
Cheers
Matt
There is a viable alternative - take to the streets and demand a party of minimum interference. The revolution IS coming and it'll be a very messy one this time. 
Change the maangement structure of the NHS - thats where the money gets wasted. Sack all the town hall cronies and jobsworths and pour the saved money into schools. Did you know that they can have a surplus in a schools budget and not be allowed to spend it because it wasn't "allocated" to the right thing inthe first place eg if they have a bidget of £1500 for a new phototcopier, but don't need one and their budget for books has run out, tough, no new books! What business would run like that - F***** madness!
Change the maangement structure of the NHS - thats where the money gets wasted. Sack all the town hall cronies and jobsworths and pour the saved money into schools. Did you know that they can have a surplus in a schools budget and not be allowed to spend it because it wasn't "allocated" to the right thing inthe first place eg if they have a bidget of £1500 for a new phototcopier, but don't need one and their budget for books has run out, tough, no new books! What business would run like that - F***** madness!
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sorry.. its all true though.. I'm currently trying to work out a scheme whereby my Grandparents don't loose their house if my Gran goes into care... signing it over to me won't work as the Government can put a charge on it or something... or look into their history and deem the transaction invalid...
Cheers
Matt
My Mum is disabled so if Dad wasn't around to look after her she'd need full-time care. Dad suggested that if he died before Mum I should bury him in the garden of their house. It seems that having a stiff in the garden can make a house virtually unsellable.
Then I can put the house up for sale and the old social will have to pay for Mum's care until I can liqidate the assets - like never.
Once dear old Mum passes on I simply dig him up and have them both cremated, suddenly rendering the house eminently saleable.
I think warped minds tend to run in families
M&H, Yep 30p per mile though I don't do 30k a year, mainly running around Aberdeen to meetings so 10k tops, certainly helped to run a nice car, what about if you buy the house from your grandparents for a pound with and make them tenants and pay a rent of some crazy figure (which you give back), this is not illegal.
Mondeoman, My sentiments exactly, my girlfriend is a nurse, yep lucky me, I don't have the space to go into detail but the wastage, decisions and management would bankrupt a major industrial company.
As for councils you need to come here to see the state of the roads and infrastructure, total lack of investment, for years the city has been crying out for a bypass system the city is grinding to a halt. More to the point I was so fed up with the handling of council tax funds by the council that I thought I would see how much business credentials these people had to run the city, bad news all except 2 councilors had any business experience or academic qualifications, yep Joe Bloggs from down the road makes the multi million pounds decisions. Still we have pretty flowers and a Lord Provest who jets off around the world with her female friend !!!
One last gem, a good will fund was established for the people that is people of Aberdeen many years ago, what do the councilors spend some of the money on, it pays for council members lunches (Served by waitresses, normal staff pay for there own) and the Lord bimbo's & friends trips abroad to promote the oil industry, yeah as if she knows about the industry !!!
Mondeoman, My sentiments exactly, my girlfriend is a nurse, yep lucky me, I don't have the space to go into detail but the wastage, decisions and management would bankrupt a major industrial company.
As for councils you need to come here to see the state of the roads and infrastructure, total lack of investment, for years the city has been crying out for a bypass system the city is grinding to a halt. More to the point I was so fed up with the handling of council tax funds by the council that I thought I would see how much business credentials these people had to run the city, bad news all except 2 councilors had any business experience or academic qualifications, yep Joe Bloggs from down the road makes the multi million pounds decisions. Still we have pretty flowers and a Lord Provest who jets off around the world with her female friend !!!
One last gem, a good will fund was established for the people that is people of Aberdeen many years ago, what do the councilors spend some of the money on, it pays for council members lunches (Served by waitresses, normal staff pay for there own) and the Lord bimbo's & friends trips abroad to promote the oil industry, yeah as if she knows about the industry !!!
M@H,
30p per mile does not pay for me to use my car for business mileage. It used to be that if you had an expensive car which you used on company business that the company could fully reimburse you for the costs you incurred.
Now they can't. They can pay you what it would cost to do the miles in a small,low CO2 producing, cheap car. The idea is to make it so that whether you do business miles in your own car or in a company car only the small, tax-efficient "environmentally friendly" car is cost effective to YOU PERSONALLY to do those miles in.
This is a "green" policy - no problems there.
I do however object to this on two counts.
On my own behalf I am cheesed because I cannot cost effectively use my own car any more. I am even considering getting a second car purely for those business miles. At least then when I use my own car I will know I am paying 30p per mile and the company is paying 30p per mile and I am paying my share to enjoy those miles. Then in winter when its crap I would use the Prius (for example). Clearly this, on balance, ain't great for the environment as there are now TWO cars to recycle etc. But it might be better for ME!
I also object to this on behalf of the great many who are on fixed three year lease deals on a Vectra (for example) who now have no choice but to pay extraordinary taxation on this automotive millstone around their necks or LOSE THEIR JOB. I know this tax change information is supposed to have been available for some time but....
Since when did you last see a sales executive turn up in a Smart? The customers don't expect it and won't like it. So the poor guy is under pressure from his firm to take the (expected) Vectra and gets shafted by Gordon....
30p per mile does not pay for me to use my car for business mileage. It used to be that if you had an expensive car which you used on company business that the company could fully reimburse you for the costs you incurred.
Now they can't. They can pay you what it would cost to do the miles in a small,low CO2 producing, cheap car. The idea is to make it so that whether you do business miles in your own car or in a company car only the small, tax-efficient "environmentally friendly" car is cost effective to YOU PERSONALLY to do those miles in.
This is a "green" policy - no problems there.
I do however object to this on two counts.
On my own behalf I am cheesed because I cannot cost effectively use my own car any more. I am even considering getting a second car purely for those business miles. At least then when I use my own car I will know I am paying 30p per mile and the company is paying 30p per mile and I am paying my share to enjoy those miles. Then in winter when its crap I would use the Prius (for example). Clearly this, on balance, ain't great for the environment as there are now TWO cars to recycle etc. But it might be better for ME!
I also object to this on behalf of the great many who are on fixed three year lease deals on a Vectra (for example) who now have no choice but to pay extraordinary taxation on this automotive millstone around their necks or LOSE THEIR JOB. I know this tax change information is supposed to have been available for some time but....
Since when did you last see a sales executive turn up in a Smart? The customers don't expect it and won't like it. So the poor guy is under pressure from his firm to take the (expected) Vectra and gets shafted by Gordon....
One nice thing to bear in mind about this Company Car Shafting Scheme is that the GOVT cars are EXEMPT...hmmmm.. Fair play to all then.
It does seem like each of the parties are as bad as each other, but I want a Govt that doesn't interfere in absolutely Everything in my life.. I'm waiting for Govt guidelines on how many times to pee per day.. Won't be long now.
Completely agree with Avocerb in that this country is geared up to help illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and the poor b*****s who've worked their whole lives and paid taxes get f*** all.. I cannot believe that they can take your house to pay for your healthcare in old age. It might not be too bad but how much will they sell it for ? Auction it off for 30% of its value ??
Also with regards to the Private Health Insurance but still pay full NI my partner has faxed our MP on this matter, but for some reason we have not had a reply yet...
This Govt seems to have no idea what to do about anything, only implementing Policies on a whim, and to please the minorities.
I was incredibly concerned to read that the Minister for Defence wanted a Public Award Ceremony for SAS troopers.. That'll be a good idea, get 'em all on TV then shall we.. Helloooo Mr Terrorist, guess who ?!?!? F***wits seem only interested in getting themselves seen more and to hell with the consequences (lots of known and soon dead SAS troops)
M&H is quite right, on disability forms etc.. basically it seems if you have no savings (i.e. don't attempt in any way to save for a rainy day or to protect yourself financially in the future) then you get full benefits but if you in any way attempt to provide for yourself then if you do need some state support it is reduced.. Utter madness.
Carzee I reckon millions could be saved by sacking all those useless b******ds who are the penny pinchers in the NHS and schools etc (they are paid rather well too, Spin Docs seem to get about 70k). I wonder how many millions can be saved by not pandering to the PC brigade as well.
If any Public company was run like this it would be liquidated in a year at best, yet the Govt have billions of pounds to use and still can't get anything right..
Damn I went off on one there, sorry, but this New Labour lot are a right bunch of ********** and I am glad I voted for the other side.
It does seem like each of the parties are as bad as each other, but I want a Govt that doesn't interfere in absolutely Everything in my life.. I'm waiting for Govt guidelines on how many times to pee per day.. Won't be long now.
Completely agree with Avocerb in that this country is geared up to help illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and the poor b*****s who've worked their whole lives and paid taxes get f*** all.. I cannot believe that they can take your house to pay for your healthcare in old age. It might not be too bad but how much will they sell it for ? Auction it off for 30% of its value ??
Also with regards to the Private Health Insurance but still pay full NI my partner has faxed our MP on this matter, but for some reason we have not had a reply yet...
This Govt seems to have no idea what to do about anything, only implementing Policies on a whim, and to please the minorities.
I was incredibly concerned to read that the Minister for Defence wanted a Public Award Ceremony for SAS troopers.. That'll be a good idea, get 'em all on TV then shall we.. Helloooo Mr Terrorist, guess who ?!?!? F***wits seem only interested in getting themselves seen more and to hell with the consequences (lots of known and soon dead SAS troops)
M&H is quite right, on disability forms etc.. basically it seems if you have no savings (i.e. don't attempt in any way to save for a rainy day or to protect yourself financially in the future) then you get full benefits but if you in any way attempt to provide for yourself then if you do need some state support it is reduced.. Utter madness.
Carzee I reckon millions could be saved by sacking all those useless b******ds who are the penny pinchers in the NHS and schools etc (they are paid rather well too, Spin Docs seem to get about 70k). I wonder how many millions can be saved by not pandering to the PC brigade as well.
If any Public company was run like this it would be liquidated in a year at best, yet the Govt have billions of pounds to use and still can't get anything right..
Damn I went off on one there, sorry, but this New Labour lot are a right bunch of ********** and I am glad I voted for the other side.
Avocerb, your mentioning Aberdeen reminds me of yet another crazy piece of public planning - the total lack of Motorway access from N.E. England to Edinburg & Aberdeen.
OK so statistically, they can argue the case that numbers/traffic doesn't justify this, but I can't help thinking that it would be a massive boost to economic activity and quality of life in these areas.
But I guess as usual, all the relevant, local MP's overlook this, just as soon as they settle their fat ar5es onto their green leather seat in Westminster.
OK so statistically, they can argue the case that numbers/traffic doesn't justify this, but I can't help thinking that it would be a massive boost to economic activity and quality of life in these areas.
But I guess as usual, all the relevant, local MP's overlook this, just as soon as they settle their fat ar5es onto their green leather seat in Westminster.
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