Slipping Clutch

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podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Hi everybody! The clutch of my V8 Vantage Roadster Sportshift started slipping at 3000 kms... I mean, it slips when the car start moving and it also "shake" for a while.
I think it is quite unusual. Do you have any experience about that?


Edited by podon on Wednesday 21st April 19:33

rick-derby-

1,105 posts

188 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Hi podon have you run it through the clutch learn procedure regularly

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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What do you mean Rick? I bought the car with 1500 km. If there is a procedure to follow, please let me know. And sorry for my poor english...

rick-derby-

1,105 posts

188 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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The procedure is very simple and is advised to be done if possible at each cold start, start the car as normal in neutral then just wait 10 seconds, you should here a click this is normal, as yours has not been done for some time stop the car and repeat this at least three times, try this first if still having problems let me know there are a few more things to try

vanquishvroom

16 posts

175 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Only 10 seconds for a clutch learn, In my Vanquish its 10 long minutes!

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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Rick, thank you for your advice. Anyway it didn't work. The clutch still slips. What else can I try?
P.s. I had my TCU remapped by Paramount!

Edited by podon on Thursday 22 April 19:02

rick-derby-

1,105 posts

188 months

Saturday 24th April 2010
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Hi Podon sorry I have not responded sooner, I have not been able to get near a laptop or my phone for the last couple of days, there is a chance although slim it is dust built up between the clutch and flywheel, under the car preferably on a ramp , where the bell housing is, you will find a small plate this can be easily removed a blow out with compressed air (normal health and safety stuff such as face mask, gloves and goggles),Then try the clutch relearn three times again, It is a shame you have not been informed of the clutch learn procedure, especially with a tcu remap, as i presume you prefer a more spirited drive, with the kiss point being too great excessive clutch wear can be a problem, It is very important that the procedure is carried regularly as this will improve clutch life as well as the dreaded judder should not appear,

Clutch relearn is for the V8 Vantage with sport shift, there is also a relearn for the vanquish but is not necessary on The DB9 etc as they are a automatic box, Rather than a manual box with hydraulic controls,

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Sunday 25th April 2010
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Thanks Rick. I tryed cleaned with compressed air as you explained in the post. The slipping is still there... It is less but still there! Any other tips?

rick-derby-

1,105 posts

188 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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I am assuming that it is the clutch that is worn now, It will require checking and most likely the clutch replacing, Aston diagnostic equipment can check if the release bearing and clutch kiss point to make sure what it is, I would suggest a trip to a dealer or specialist so it can be road tested and a diagnostic check run,

spookey

21 posts

238 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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Hi Podon,

I was wondering about the paramount re-map. has it made much difference?

V8VKK

354 posts

202 months

Monday 26th April 2010
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Hi podon, what polish do you use your car looks fantastic or is it the sunny conditions?

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Thank you Rick! The remap is ok. The shift times are really improved.
I use Swisswax to polish my car. It is very good!

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Thursday 20th May 2010
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Sorry Rick. Just one more information. I found on Aston Martin Tech Info the service bulletin SB: 0193. It is about the adaptive learning procedures. There are 2 procedures to follow in order to allow the TCU to learn the flywheel profile.

Procedure A - Loss of Data in the Engine Control Module caused by Power Disconnection or
Module Replacement (Manual and Auto Transmissions)
Enable the Powertrain Control Module to relearn the flywheel profile data as follows:
• Fully warm-up the vehicle (Engine Coolant Temperature above 85°C and Transmission Fluid
Temperature above 50°C)
• Switch Of the Air Conditioning. Adaptive data will not be learned if the Air Conditioning is
on
• Drive the vehicle and increase speed to a constant 70 mph (110 kph)
• Close the throttle fully and allow the vehicle to ‘coast down’ to 35 mph (56 kph) with no
braking intervention (ensure road is safe to do so)
Note:-The coast down from 70 to 35 needs to be done in Normal mode (not Sport or Touch) on
the (Auto) and in 6th gear on the Manual.
• Upon reaching 35 mph (56 kph), accelerate up to a constant 70 mph (110 kph)
• Repeat the accelerate to 70 mph (110 kph) then ‘coast down’ to 35 mph (56 kph), a total of
three times
• The engine controller will then have learned the flywheel profile
Note:
Completion of flywheel learning may be checked using WDS. Monitor the PID ‘Profile correction
learned during this trip’. When this PID switches to 1, flywheel learning is complete.
Note: Other engine adaptive data will be learned during further running of the vehicle.

Procedure B - Loss of Data in only the Transmission Controller (Auto transmission only)
Enable the Transmission Control Module to relearn the gearshift adaptive data as follows:
1. Fully warm-up the vehicle (Engine Coolant above 85°C and Transmission Fluid Temp above
50°C)
2. Switch off the Air Conditioning. Adaptive data will not be learned if the Air Conditioning is
on
3. Confirm that the transmission is in Normal Mode (Not Sport or Touchtronic)
4. Accelerate from rest with light throttle opening and obtain gearshifts 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 with the
engine speed in the range 1500 – 1800 rpm
5. Continue to accelerate gently to 50 mph (80 kph) so the transmission shifts into 5th gear
6. Gently brake the vehicle to a standstill and hold the vehicle at rest with the footbrake for 15
seconds (ensure road is safe to do so).
7. Repeat steps 3 – 5 a further 4 times. The Transmission Control Module will then have learned
an initial level of gearshift adaptive data
Learning of transmission adaptive data is never fully completed, as the Transmission Controller
continually adapts to varying parameters.

Do you think it will help with my slipping clutch? I have to perform it in Comfort mode or sport mode since my car hasn't normal mode? Thank you very much!


Edited by podon on Thursday 20th May 17:34

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Any news rick?

rick-derby-

1,105 posts

188 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Hi sorry completely missed this, this is more to do with the adaptive learning of the ecu's and more relevant to when we carry out repairs or update the modules, so less to do with the clutch learn as required in daily usage, It will definitely do no harm to try,but I do not think it will help with the issue you have,

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Monday 24th May 2010
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Thank you Rick! I tried it and after reconnecting the battery the memory of the seats doesn't work anymore. Neither the easy access works anymore. Any suggestion?

podon

Original Poster:

17 posts

172 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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Any suggestion for the memory?

s.m.h.

5,730 posts

216 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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Try here

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Think this is just for the windows, but the learning technique is similar for the seats iirc.
One I did, the seat had to tilt fully forwards before it would either move backwards or the memory work.