Police chiefs turn on Brunstrom
Discussion
Report in today's Mail says two police forces have complained about Brunstrom's over-zealous style and zero-tolerance on speeding.
Several more are expected to follow suit.
One said " "Every time Brunstrom opens his mouth, he convinces Middle England they are the targets of the police rather than the criminals who are robbing and pillaging them. For many of us his views are complete nonsense....There would be a loud cheer if he stands down"
Several more are expected to follow suit.
One said " "Every time Brunstrom opens his mouth, he convinces Middle England they are the targets of the police rather than the criminals who are robbing and pillaging them. For many of us his views are complete nonsense....There would be a loud cheer if he stands down"
Tafia said:
Report in today's Mail...
Here it is:
Notice how there's really good news every other day (at least) just now? We ARE winning...
Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk
So there we are, then.
1) He can be removed; the majority agree with him (or at least, knowing he has the support of government, aren't prepared to stick their head above the paprapet and vote hiom out).
2) AFAIK ACPO policies aren't binding anyway (Durham only has one fixed camera), so if the 'disgruntled sources' don't like the policy, but haven't the numbers to throw him out, why don't they just implement a different policy in their own area?
No, this smells of unprincipled political opportunism on the part of a few CCs.
1) He can be removed; the majority agree with him (or at least, knowing he has the support of government, aren't prepared to stick their head above the paprapet and vote hiom out).
2) AFAIK ACPO policies aren't binding anyway (Durham only has one fixed camera), so if the 'disgruntled sources' don't like the policy, but haven't the numbers to throw him out, why don't they just implement a different policy in their own area?
No, this smells of unprincipled political opportunism on the part of a few CCs.
Maybe you guys know this already, but I saw a program last night - apparently Brunstrom wants to legalise heroin, not cannabis or whatever - hard core, life wrecking, criminal habiit forming heroin. So, injecting dangerous highly addictive drugs should be legal according to mr Brunstrom, the man who (I might be paraphrashing here) said it was 'as illegal to go 1mph over the speed limit on an empty road as it was to commit murder' ......maybe he wants to legalise that too.
Chris71 said:
Maybe you guys know this already, but I saw a program last night - apparently Brunstrom wants to legalise heroin, not cannabis or whatever - hard core, life wrecking, criminal habiit forming heroin. So, injecting dangerous highly addictive drugs should be legal according to mr Brunstrom, the man who (I might be paraphrashing here) said it was 'as illegal to go 1mph over the speed limit on an empty road as it was to commit murder' ......maybe he wants to legalise that too.
You may find he said, " There is no more excuse for drifting over the speed limit than there is for drifting a knife into someone."
Interestingly, he had previously said he occasionally exceeded the speed limit, "but not as much as I used to".
streaky said:
But of course, people who speed will commit other offences; whereas, people who take heroin do not commit other offences.
Ha, bl00dy, ha!
Streaky
Apparently, that is his logic for legalising hard drugs: If they are legal, the junkies will not commit the crime to feed their habit!
Only confirms to me and members of my family that he really is "off his head"
Still .... with delusions like that ..can only conclude ....
that it is one way to fudge his current stats on burglaries solved!
Following that logic, we should remove all speed limits. The huge number of criminal offences commited by Mr Middle England are wiped out in an instant. That will look very good on paper.
I think the nutters days are numbered. Will be interesting to see who remains on his side. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Brunstrom, no one will be sorry to see you go. Close the door behind you!
I think the nutters days are numbered. Will be interesting to see who remains on his side. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Brunstrom, no one will be sorry to see you go. Close the door behind you!Policing at the highest level (like Brunstrom) is a political minefield. You have to cater for so many diverse interested parties that you will never really win in gaining the hearts and minds of all.... you have the government, local council, local people and police guidance - all have a vested interest and all push in different directions.
That said, Brunstom DOESNT represent the views of the majority of Police CC's. The Daily Mail have to be careful they dont tread on toes, but I suspect that they are underplaying things slightly. However, I am pretty sure that there will be a considerable amount of political jesturing going on at the moment - druming up support etc. Not clear who will win, but rather than risk a massive fight with the other CC's he would step down, but only if it is clear that he cant win. We will just have to wait and see.
That said, my comments at the top of this post should clearly indicate that he doesnt represent the people that he needs to provide a service to - local council and local people. He is loosing support from the other Police CC's and that leaves just the government - who seem to be distancing themselves from speed cameras at the moment (like not challenging the decision of London to reduce the number - a year ago they would have jumped up and down, now they just roll over and try and direct attention elsewhere). The war is being won and its a matter of time - though I would strongly suggest that we dont hold our breath just yet.
That said, Brunstom DOESNT represent the views of the majority of Police CC's. The Daily Mail have to be careful they dont tread on toes, but I suspect that they are underplaying things slightly. However, I am pretty sure that there will be a considerable amount of political jesturing going on at the moment - druming up support etc. Not clear who will win, but rather than risk a massive fight with the other CC's he would step down, but only if it is clear that he cant win. We will just have to wait and see.
That said, my comments at the top of this post should clearly indicate that he doesnt represent the people that he needs to provide a service to - local council and local people. He is loosing support from the other Police CC's and that leaves just the government - who seem to be distancing themselves from speed cameras at the moment (like not challenging the decision of London to reduce the number - a year ago they would have jumped up and down, now they just roll over and try and direct attention elsewhere). The war is being won and its a matter of time - though I would strongly suggest that we dont hold our breath just yet.
WildCat said:
But of course, people who speed will commit other offences; whereas, people who take heroin do not commit other offences.
Ha, bl00dy, ha!
Streaky
Apparently, that is his logic for legalising hard drugs: If they are legal, the junkies will not commit the crime to feed their habit!
Only confirms to me and members of my family that he really is "off his head"
Still .... with delusions like that ..can only conclude ....
that it is one way to fudge his current stats on burglaries solved!
Aye, it seems to have escaped his notice that they will still need to buy the drugs so will still need the extra cash.
pbrettle said:
That said, Brunstom DOESNT represent the views of the majority of Police CC's. The Daily Mail have to be careful they dont tread on toes, but I suspect that they are underplaying things slightly.
On what basis can you possibly say this? And the Daily Mail would have to be underplaying their hand by about 60%, not just slightly.
Tafia said:
Aye, it seems to have escaped his notice that they will still need to buy the drugs so will still need the extra cash.
But the price will come down, as the supply will go up (and the need for 'risk' capital will disappear).
>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Saturday 28th February 21:03
jeffreyarcher said:
That said, Brunstom DOESNT represent the views of the majority of Police CC's. The Daily Mail have to be careful they dont tread on toes, but I suspect that they are underplaying things slightly.
On what basis can you possibly say this? And the Daily Mail would have to be underplaying their hand by about 60%, not just slightly.
Tafia said:
Aye, it seems to have escaped his notice that they will still need to buy the drugs so will still need the extra cash.
But the price will come down, as the supply will go up (and the need for 'risk' capital will disappear).
>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Saturday 28th February 21:03
But do we really want to make it easier for the weak-willed to puddle their brains and their bodies? When the Chinese objected to their population being zonked by British supplied opium, it lead to the Opium War.
Of course, a zonked, addicted population is a compliant population which would sit vey easily with the present regime of control freaks.
In "The Imperial Drug Trade", and referring to opium, Joshua Rowntree wrote:
"the British were in a great hurry to make money out of the East, and the gunboats were found to clear the way quickly. All vestiges of compassion for mankind had been swept away by the silver stream of rupees which poured into the Calcutta Exchequer."
Another revenue stream for Gordon Brown?
jeffreyarcher said:
Tafia said:
Aye, it seems to have escaped his notice that they will still need to buy the drugs so will still need the extra cash.
But the price will come down, as the supply will go up (and the need for 'risk' capital will disappear).
>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Saturday 28th February 21:03
Nah! Price will not come down if they are ever daft enough to legalise hard drugs!
What will happen is that there will be a WHOPPING tax to try to curb usage (as with cars, petrol, cigs and booze except higher still!).
Result - druggy addict will still commit the robbery to pay for the "fix!"
Like I said earlier the weird one in Wales is "off his head" and his views on this and road safety certainly give one "food for thought!"
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