RE: 'Intelligent' tyres Are Just Around The Corner
RE: 'Intelligent' tyres Are Just Around The Corner
Tuesday 27th April 2010

'Intelligent' Tyres Are Just Around The Corner

New tech allows dynamic control systems to factor-in 'live' tyre data


Tyres capable of monitoring themselves, road conditions and 'talking' with a vehicle's electronic systems will be available within three years, heralding 'a revolution in traction technology'.

Pirelli - the thinking car's tyres?
Pirelli - the thinking car's tyres?
That's the view of Schrader Electronics, which specialises in developing electronic sensors for automotive applications.

Tyre Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) introduced the concept of combining electronic sensors within a vehicle's tyre and have proven to make a significant contribution to safety and fuel efficiency, says Schrader, and all cars will be fitted with this technology by law from 2012.

But describing the arrival of the new technology as a 'quantum leap', the firm says the advances will change the scope of what can be offered by the only direct interface between car and the road surface.

The new development apparently centres on a sensor mounted within the inside of the tyre rather than on the valve or wheel rim as with current direct TPMS. It then transmits information wirelessly to receivers mounted in the vehicle's wheel housing and via the car's ECU to the driver.

This enables a raft of previously unobtainable data to be relayed to the vehicle's ABS, ESP and other electronic systems. Information about the tyre's tread depth, pressure and temperature, along with the shape of its footprint and the amount of load it is under, will be combined with precise readings of road conditions, such as the amount of grip available, to optimise control of the vehicle's dynamics.

A partnership with Pirelli will see the first phase of these tyres arriving in the European market during 2010, they say. Called the 'Cyber Tyre Lean', pressure, temperature, average load and the number of revolutions are measured and fed to the vehicle's electronic systems. The fully intelligent tyre, to be called the 'Cyber Tyre' is expected to arrive in 2013.

"Whatever next?" we're forced to ask. Here at PH we're just looking forward to the day when our cars won't need drivers at all. Hang on, that's not right...

(PS. Googling for 'Pirelli pictures' just made our morning!)

 

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JacksHereR

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Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

223 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Agreed.


They do make some good Calendars biggrin

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

256 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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idea
And then HM Govt will have more available to them to bring in a law that says "When the tyre ECU tells you you're exceeding the tyres grip/speed limit/tyre wear etc etc it will cut out the engine"


Sounds completely superfluous for road use to me ?
(except for Grannies/lazy housewives/chavs etc of course biggrin: )

GingerWizard

4,721 posts

227 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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That sounds pretty cool. It sounds like a possible great peice of tech. Is this from F1? I could even forsee tyre compounds that change with electrickery!

snow tyres in the winter, racing slicks in the summer!

The Hitman

2,592 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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So the tyre will have to have quite a few sensors and a wireless adapter to connect to the car? I take it the car's computer will deal with the info sent but I reccon it will mean changing tyres a lot sooner not because of tread, but because the battery gone/dislodged, or the the adapter has.

Resulting in the tyre merchants sucking there teeth and saying "Coz its inside mate, you'll need a new'un. That"ll be 200 quid mate" rolleyes

wab172uk

2,005 posts

256 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Cost of tyres will sore. Brilliant. rolleyes

soad

34,637 posts

205 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Sounds okay but why complicate things even more? Normal tyres are just fine for the normal road use.

TheRoadWarrior

1,242 posts

207 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Sounds like the car version of an Epson print cartridge to me. The ECU will disable the engine until you change all 4 tyres because its decided that there isnt enough tread left.. despite there being more than enough for another two thousand miles or so.

MrTappets

881 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Wouldn't it be brilliant to have a tyre that makes itself very wide for fast starts and emergency stopping and so on, but becomes very narrow when just cruising along to reduce rolling resistance and noise?

Perhaps you could do it with a hub that can fold inwards at the edges. Only real downsides I can see would be price and weight. Still, guess that would be a few years down the line.

jaik

2,002 posts

242 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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The Hitman said:
So the tyre will have to have quite a few sensors and a wireless adapter to connect to the car? I take it the car's computer will deal with the info sent but I reccon it will mean changing tyres a lot sooner not because of tread, but because the battery gone/dislodged, or the the adapter has.
I think it will be closer to RFID technology that what you have in your head, there is plenty of energy from the spinning of the tyre to power all the electronics in a similar manner to the "kinetic" watches which store energy from the movement of your wrist. I would also expect the electronics to be embedded deep inside the rubber so they wouldn't be dislodged.

It has great potential if applied correctly.

jon-

16,534 posts

245 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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article said:
Tyres capable of monitoring themselves, road conditions and 'talking' with a vehicle's electronic systems will be available within three years, heralding 'a revolution in traction technology'.
No they won't. HTH.

TheRoadWarrior

1,242 posts

207 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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MrTappets said:
Wouldn't it be brilliant to have a tyre that makes itself very wide for fast starts and emergency stopping and so on, but becomes very narrow when just cruising along to reduce rolling resistance and noise?

Perhaps you could do it with a hub that can fold inwards at the edges. Only real downsides I can see would be price and weight. Still, guess that would be a few years down the line.
Kinda like Flight of the Navigtor.. but with tyres?

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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wab172uk said:
Cost of tyres will sore. Brilliant. rolleyes
That'll chafe.

dylan0451

1,040 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Justayellowbadge said:
wab172uk said:
Cost of tyres will sore. Brilliant. rolleyes
That'll chafe.
laugh

TheRoadWarrior said:
Sounds like the car version of an Epson print cartridge to me. The ECU will disable the engine until you change all 4 tyres because its decided that there isnt enough tread left on the spare/a single wheel.. despite there being more than enough for another two thousand miles or so.
EFA


Edited by dylan0451 on Tuesday 27th April 13:13

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

247 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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"Tyre Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) introduced the concept of combining electronic sensors within a vehicle's tyre and have proven to make a significant contribution to safety and fuel efficiency, says Schrader, and all cars will be fitted with this technology by law from 2012"

Is this a p*ss take? yes?

What so all cars will have a system simillar to that used by Renualt on the Clio, where it just beeps for the hell of it? you can stop it - by blowing the tyres up like balloons......

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

255 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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I think great for use in competition if used for telemetry/data aquisition back to the pits purposes. I think great for use in road cars but only to serve as a warning that the roads are slippery, or the tyre is overheating, or pumped too hard, or for aiding the traction control or ABS system, etc...etc...

However, not if it interferes with your ECU to the point where it cuts engine power or worse still stops the car altogether. Imagine that kicking in as you're overtaking someone or joining a junction or motorway.

Worse still your tyres are getting low on tread although not illegal and the tyre broadcasts such info to the cops. Shortly afterwards you're being stopped for having low tread or you're getting an automatic NIP in the post for having dodgy tyres.

This is all getting a bit silly. George Orwell would be having kittens right now if he new just how tame his writings were compared to what it's really like today. As has already been said, perhaps cars will just drive themselves one day in which case we may as well all be driving the same car.

Fury1630

393 posts

256 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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"describing the arrival of the new technology as a 'quantum leap', the firm says"

Ever looked up what quantum leap actually means? It's the smallest possible advance. Like a step if you're walking, doesn't matter if you inch one foot in front of the other ot take a stride - you can't move without making a step, it's therefore the smallest move forward you can make.

dylan0451

1,040 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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so we've all got to 'tighten our belts' for the future to climb out of this economic mess, but it's still fine to spunk shedloads of cash up the wall on gimmicky crap we don't need, since speed kills and we can't save ourselves from ourselves. only to then pass law forcing us to retrofit nintendo's in our tyres?

Belfast Boy

855 posts

211 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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ohhh, thats really going to kill a cars performance!!! ECU SAYS NO!!!

dinkel

27,771 posts

287 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Maybe add a robot to do the driving for you . . .