T350 Dyno figs
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willtvr

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1,099 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Just received RR figures from Dom @TVR Power for my T350 4.0

330bhp @ wheels & 300lbs/ft @ wheels. Are these about average? Any comments welcome.

Edited by willtvr on Thursday 29th April 21:56

Zippee

14,125 posts

263 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Standard 3.6? If so they're very good. Factory is supposed to be 350 at the fly so a 20bhp drop to the wheels is very good.

willtvr

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226 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Zippee said:
Standard 3.6? If so they're very good. Factory is supposed to be 350 at the fly so a 20bhp drop to the wheels is very good.
No, its 4.0l.

BatleyBoy

2,036 posts

250 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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I would say that is good...about what it should be.

Slightly off topic, anyone done a test on a standard 3.6?

Zippee

14,125 posts

263 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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willtvr said:
Zippee said:
Standard 3.6? If so they're very good. Factory is supposed to be 350 at the fly so a 20bhp drop to the wheels is very good.
No, its 4.0l.
OK - didn't say that in your original post. IIRC a 4.0 is around 380ish at the fly so sounds about right but I haven't a lot to compare to. Might be worth asking in the Tuscan forum as theres obviously a far greater number of 4.0l cars in there.

zooooom

1,310 posts

289 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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3.6 De-catted, TVR Power super sport exhausts, Re-mapped at Austec.
Everything else is standard as from the factory.



Edited by zooooom on Friday 30th April 11:18

Madmatt V8

478 posts

221 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Don't know about everyone else but that dyno from austec is just a blur lol I am thinking of doing the same on my tam so what were the figures from austec please?

TVR_owner

3,349 posts

220 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Ian,
Typical power losses for RWD car on a rolling road can be IRO 12-14% for cars over 300BHP. Good guide is take the RWHP, add 10 then divide by 0.88. This gives you car something around 390BHP, probably very realistic and I would be very happy with those real world sounding numbers. Must be nice to drive after the re-map.

The transmission losses for the T350 at Austec suggests the car should run huge coolers on the gearbox and diff with water cooled wheel bearings to cope with the heat that must be generated in the transmission - they are silly, but give a good pub talk figure

Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 30th April 10:19

SeiW500

255 posts

197 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Max power 378.7bhp or 383.5bhp corrected?
Max power at wheels 280.5bhp @ 7635rpm (155.4mph)
Max torque @ 6100rpm 286.1 lbf/ft

TVR 4.3 sounds tempting at 370bhp at wheels!!!
Anybody seen a power plot of that engine????

RM75

448 posts

216 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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The Austec plot is from a MAHA dyno - these (it's said) are set up to accurately measure flywheel power and always produce much lower "at the wheels" numbers than other dyno types. To quote from another forum:-

"The maha dynos have 2 contact patches per wheel. What the maha does is measure how quickly the car can spin the dyno and produce a "power at the dyno" figure. This figure should ideally be ignored as its not a power at the wheels figure. Its called wheel power on the dyno chart, but the thing to remember the dyno has 2 contact patches per wheel. Your car on the road doesnt."

Therefore a Power 4.3ltr that made 370 at the wheels on one dyno would make less than that on Austecs MAHA, but they should both come up with the same flywheel figure.

TVR_owner

3,349 posts

220 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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RM75 said:
The Austec plot is from a MAHA dyno - these (it's said) are set up to accurately measure flywheel power and always produce much lower "at the wheels" numbers than other dyno types. To quote from another forum:-

"The maha dynos have 2 contact patches per wheel. What the maha does is measure how quickly the car can spin the dyno and produce a "power at the dyno" figure. This figure should ideally be ignored as its not a power at the wheels figure. Its called wheel power on the dyno chart, but the thing to remember the dyno has 2 contact patches per wheel. Your car on the road doesnt."

Therefore a Power 4.3ltr that made 370 at the wheels on one dyno would make less than that on Austecs MAHA, but they should both come up with the same flywheel figure.
That would explain why it doesnt have fried transmission then!!

RM75

448 posts

216 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Yeah, I used to think people were fooling themselves that their car was making 40% more power at the engine than at the wheels, but it seems genuine and just unique to these dynos.

Geoff Ashcroft

351 posts

235 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Does that mean you've 98.2hp of driveline losses & friction? confused

IainMac

47 posts

259 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Dyno threads are meangingless except if the readings are from the same dyno/same day/atmospherics and same operator skills setup.. runs outside of that can vary wildly and its not unknown for tuners with dynos to bias the setup to give favourable results...

SeiW500

255 posts

197 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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IainMac said:
its not unknown for tuners with dynos to bias the setup to give favourable results...
Really yikes, how rude!! rolleyes

Be interesting to get a standard 3.6, 4.0 & TVR Power 4.3 all together on the rollers!!!! idea
I'll bring the 3.6....driving

LeeT350c

575 posts

210 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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My standard 3.6 will be on the rollers tomorrow.

Will let you know.....

SP6 Animal

6,015 posts

239 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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LeeT350c said:
My standard 3.6 will be on the rollers tomorrow.

Will let you know.....
Who you using lee?

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

254 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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My 4 ltr S spec engine does 360 bhp at the hubs.

willtvr

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1,099 posts

226 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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dvs_dave said:
My 4 ltr S spec engine does 360 bhp at the hubs.
On who's dyno?

Edited by willtvr on Friday 30th April 20:32

willtvr

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226 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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TVR_owner said:
Ian,
Typical power losses for RWD car on a rolling road can be IRO 12-14% for cars over 300BHP. Good guide is take the RWHP, add 10 then divide by 0.88. This gives you car something around 390BHP, probably very realistic and I would be very happy with those real world sounding numbers. Must be nice to drive after the re-map.

The transmission losses for the T350 at Austec suggests the car should run huge coolers on the gearbox and diff with water cooled wheel bearings to cope with the heat that must be generated in the transmission - they are silly, but give a good pub talk figure

Edited by TVR_owner on Friday 30th April 10:19
Thanks John,

Wasn't sure what to expect. Haven't driven it yet as not picking it up until Tuesday. Will be a lot happier now knowing its fuelling correctly.