Slotted or drilled rotors on street cars.
Slotted or drilled rotors on street cars.
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SmoothRB

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1,700 posts

203 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Seen quite a few around which I assume are factory standard? On Boxters etc.

Is there a point with putting them on street cars?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

229 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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SmoothRB said:
Seen quite a few around which I assume are factory standard? On Boxters etc.

Is there a point with putting them on street cars?
Slots act as scrapers / allow gas to escape - well that's the theory. Personally I'd never use drilled rotors on either a track or a road car - they act as stress risers and are prone to cracking.

Plain vented rotors with alloy bells would my preference.

ETA For the pedants that add that a lot of race cars due use drilled rotors - yes I know, but they can cost as much as road car.

Edited by rhinochopig on Saturday 1st May 13:38

Stedman

7,475 posts

223 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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I had drilled and grooved disks on my car when i purchased it. I don't know if it was because the car wasn't designed with them in mind, but they were bloody awful!

The judder through the pedal was terrible, although the sound was very cool as you stopped. It was like a very quiet zzzzz.

They also looked cool

shalmaneser

6,463 posts

226 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Stedman said:
I had drilled and grooved disks on my car when i purchased it. I don't know if it was because the car wasn't designed with them in mind, but they were bloody awful!

The judder through the pedal was terrible, although the sound was very cool as you stopped. It was like a very quiet zzzzz.

They also looked cool
This.

I run plain discs now.

Tangent Police

3,097 posts

207 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Yep, agreed. Carbon Metallic pads don't like drilled or grooved discs.

In my opinion, you should uprate your pads before you replace discs. Less disc area= more wear= more £

SmoothRB

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1,700 posts

203 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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rhinochopig said:
SmoothRB said:
Seen quite a few around which I assume are factory standard? On Boxters etc.

Is there a point with putting them on street cars?
Slots act as scrapers / allow gas to escape - well that's the theory. Personally I'd never use drilled rotors on either a track or a road car - they act as stress risers and are prone to cracking.
Yeah I know, they cool faster, but wear the pads quicker.

How many people driving to the shops get their brakes glowing red though and need the benefits?

MarJay

2,181 posts

206 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.

SmoothRB

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1,700 posts

203 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
Got any evidence for that?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

229 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
The reason why motorbikes primarily run drilled discs is due to weight, not their water shedding ability. Lower disc weight reduces unsprung weight and helps acceleration and direction changes as it reduce the rotational mass "gyroscopic effect".

Mr_B

10,480 posts

274 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Cheap drilled discs will crack under any hard use.

Xenocide

4,286 posts

239 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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rhinochopig said:
MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
The reason why motorbikes primarily run drilled discs is due to weight, not their water shedding ability. Lower disc weight reduces unsprung weight and helps acceleration and direction changes as it reduce the rotational mass "gyroscopic effect".
Have you ridden a bike with solid rotors in the wet? It's fking terrifying.

Edited by Xenocide on Saturday 1st May 17:05

jon-

16,534 posts

247 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Call me a cynic, but drilled / slotted discs on road cars look cooler, so the manufacturers can charge more for replacements, and wear through the pads quicker... more replacements.

PhillipM

6,564 posts

220 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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Bikes also tend to be on stainless steel rotors, not cast iron, hence they're a lot more resistant to cracking around the holes than a cast iron disc.

warmfuzzies

4,377 posts

284 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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rhinochopig said:
MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
The reason why motorbikes primarily run drilled discs is due to weight, not their water shedding ability. Lower disc weight reduces unsprung weight and helps acceleration and direction changes as it reduce the rotational mass "gyroscopic effect".
Less weight? you are seriously having a tin bath me ol son, who the hell amongst the power rangers is going to notice 200 grammes FFS.




k.

PhillipM

6,564 posts

220 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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warmfuzzies said:
rhinochopig said:
MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
The reason why motorbikes primarily run drilled discs is due to weight, not their water shedding ability. Lower disc weight reduces unsprung weight and helps acceleration and direction changes as it reduce the rotational mass "gyroscopic effect".
Less weight? you are seriously having a tin bath me ol son, who the hell amongst the power rangers is going to notice 200 grammes FFS.




k.
200g on both sides of a lightweight motorcycle wheel that's both unsprung and rotational?
That's a pretty important weight saving...


flemke

23,508 posts

268 months

Saturday 1st May 2010
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warmfuzzies said:
rhinochopig said:
MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
The reason why motorbikes primarily run drilled discs is due to weight, not their water shedding ability. Lower disc weight reduces unsprung weight and helps acceleration and direction changes as it reduce the rotational mass "gyroscopic effect".
Less weight? you are seriously having a tin bath me ol son, who the hell amongst the power rangers is going to notice 200 grammes FFS.
I'm not a biker, but the difference is not as trivial as it may seem.
Rotating unsprung weight is reckoned to be 5x as "heavy" in vehicle dynamics as static sprung weight is.
An increase in rotating sprung weight makes the steering heavier, reduces grip, reduces acceleration and lengthens braking distance.

warmfuzzies

4,377 posts

284 months

Sunday 2nd May 2010
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flemke said:
warmfuzzies said:
rhinochopig said:
MarJay said:
Drilled discs clear the water faster from the pad surface meaning that they are better in the wet. Slotted is the same...hence why all modern motorcycles have drilled discs. They also provide better bite because there is more leading edge area attacking the edge of the pad.
The reason why motorbikes primarily run drilled discs is due to weight, not their water shedding ability. Lower disc weight reduces unsprung weight and helps acceleration and direction changes as it reduce the rotational mass "gyroscopic effect".
Less weight? you are seriously having a tin bath me ol son, who the hell amongst the power rangers is going to notice 200 grammes FFS.
I'm not a biker, but the difference is not as trivial as it may seem.
Rotating unsprung weight is reckoned to be 5x as "heavy" in vehicle dynamics as static sprung weight is.
An increase in rotating sprung weight makes the steering heavier, reduces grip, reduces acceleration and lengthens braking distance.
I didn't disagree that it may have an effect, just who amongst us would notice the difference, many would claim I feel, few would notice I maintain.
I am an ex biker, awaitng opportunity .

k.