330ci vs civic type R mpg
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howdy all - newbie here...
Currently pondering over next vehicle - narrowed it down to civic ep3 / integra dc5 / e46 330...
Just wondering, anyone got experience of actual mpg CTR ep3 vs e46 330ci?
Stats appear similar but sceptical of the bmw figures considering the size of the lump! Id go for a manual if that makes much odds...
Ta :up
Currently pondering over next vehicle - narrowed it down to civic ep3 / integra dc5 / e46 330...
Just wondering, anyone got experience of actual mpg CTR ep3 vs e46 330ci?
Stats appear similar but sceptical of the bmw figures considering the size of the lump! Id go for a manual if that makes much odds...
Ta :up
saint86J said:
howdy all - newbie here...
Currently pondering over next vehicle - narrowed it down to civic ep3 / integra dc5 / e46 330...
Just wondering, anyone got experience of actual mpg CTR ep3 vs e46 330ci?
Stats appear similar but sceptical of the bmw figures considering the size of the lump! Id go for a manual if that makes much odds...
Ta :up
My manual 330i used to average 27.9 mpg mixed driving on the computer. Currently pondering over next vehicle - narrowed it down to civic ep3 / integra dc5 / e46 330...
Just wondering, anyone got experience of actual mpg CTR ep3 vs e46 330ci?
Stats appear similar but sceptical of the bmw figures considering the size of the lump! Id go for a manual if that makes much odds...
Ta :up
Calculated mpg from my EP3 CTR is 35mpg mixed driving.
sonnyb said:
With such cars, mpg, ie economy should not be your primary consideration........
Rubbish, both cars make good daily drivers, they're not garage queen supercars...Economy generally is a consideration with these sorts of cars which is why the RX8 (for example) usually falls short.
Edited by NickXX on Sunday 2nd May 17:00
NickXX said:
sonnyb said:
With such cars, mpg, ie economy should not be your primary consideration........
Rubbish, both cars make good daily drivers, they're not garage queen supercars...I think the point being made was that they are, well the BMW anyway, at the upper echelon of 'sports copues' and thus will not return super duper MPG. The BMW will also be potentially expensive with an Insp 2 plus an unexpected repair will wipe out any fuel saving on something like a miserable Renault clio diesel or similar.
I think you can probably expect something in the reigion of the mid to upper twenties if you are lucky.
There are plently on the roads so they cant be that terrible on fuel.
Neil.D said:
NickXX said:
sonnyb said:
With such cars, mpg, ie economy should not be your primary consideration........
Rubbish, both cars make good daily drivers, they're not garage queen supercars...I think the point being made was that they are, well the BMW anyway, at the upper echelon of 'sports copues' and thus will not return super duper MPG. The BMW will also be potentially expensive with an Insp 2 plus an unexpected repair will wipe out any fuel saving on something like a miserable Renault clio diesel or similar.
I think you can probably expect something in the reigion of the mid to upper twenties if you are lucky.
There are plently on the roads so they cant be that terrible on fuel.
Economy isnt my primary consideration, hence the choice of the two cars I have identified, over say a 330d.
However, to split the two to make a decision, it is something which will influence my decision. Learning towards a type R for the chuckable fun factor, especially if in reality the beemer is "significantly" more thirsty, which is what i suspected, despite the combined cycle mpg quotes being the same.
However, to split the two to make a decision, it is something which will influence my decision. Learning towards a type R for the chuckable fun factor, especially if in reality the beemer is "significantly" more thirsty, which is what i suspected, despite the combined cycle mpg quotes being the same.
saint86J said:
Economy isnt my primary consideration, hence the choice of the two cars I have identified, over say a 330d.
However, to split the two to make a decision, it is something which will influence my decision. Learning towards a type R for the chuckable fun factor, especially if in reality the beemer is "significantly" more thirsty, which is what i suspected, despite the combined cycle mpg quotes being the same.
I have both. They are very different cars!However, to split the two to make a decision, it is something which will influence my decision. Learning towards a type R for the chuckable fun factor, especially if in reality the beemer is "significantly" more thirsty, which is what i suspected, despite the combined cycle mpg quotes being the same.
330i Sport - good capable car for covering miles. Not very nimble, but can take corners well. GREAT driving position/seats, lots of toys. Relatively comfortable for passengers.
CTR - great for a blast, begs to be thrashed and VTEC'd everywhere. Very simple with no flash gizmos/gadgets. Not very comfortable for passengers over anything other than smooth tarmac.
I take the CTR anyday!
Biggest question us how do you like to drive a car? Do you like chasing revs all the time? I don't never have I like power everywhere in the rev range. I always like high torque engines.
With a big lump clearly it's going to be heavier on fuel it's a big lump whereas if you drive a vrec and change up at 2k rpm it will be a 2ltr economy not a 50% bigger unit.
That said I do like a big unit.
With a big lump clearly it's going to be heavier on fuel it's a big lump whereas if you drive a vrec and change up at 2k rpm it will be a 2ltr economy not a 50% bigger unit.
That said I do like a big unit.
Welshbeef said:
With a big lump clearly it's going to be heavier on fuel it's a big lump whereas if you drive a vrec and change up at 2k rpm it will be a 2ltr economy not a 50% bigger unit.
That said I do like a big unit.
You'd be lucky to move in a CTR changing up at 2k. I drove mine reasonably hard (but sensibly) over a mix of driving and got anywhere between 28-32, depending on the season, just how bad queues were etc. On a run, mid 30s or just over was achievable.
However, an average of 35 in a mix of driving (as someone above has had) does suggest candyfloss feet and a certain lack of familiarity with VTEC, YO!
i have a 330ci and my work mate had an ep3 ctr.
doing the same route to work everyday (mixture of fast a and b roads, very little start/stop traffic) we were both getting roughly 340ish miles to a tank less if we pressed on but fuel consumption seemed to still be equal.
the 330ci is fairly frugal for its size and the honda fairly thirsty(prob due to vtec) im going to guess the civic is a fraction better round town though on the juice.
we never pushed it to the limit but living in rural bucks and chosing the quieter b road route to work we were able to 'have fun' every now and again and i would say the cars were fairly evenly matched, yes the bmw is heavy but on good tyres it holds the road very well and you have alot of grunt from as little as 2k rpm if your in the right gear.
up to around 70 they are neck and neck, after that the 330 has the edge and with abit of practice the 330 can be launched VERY well (m sport with the wider 255 rear tyres)
you have to remember the ctr is only 140ish bhp until it comes onto vtec, so as soon as you want to drive with anything better than average acceleration you need to really rev it, which is bloody good fun i admit! but it does like a drink at the higher end of the rev range.
you need an m sport and ideally a coupe though, pick a 4 door se 330i and you wont see where the type r went on the b roads.
both like to use a drop of oil aswell
doing the same route to work everyday (mixture of fast a and b roads, very little start/stop traffic) we were both getting roughly 340ish miles to a tank less if we pressed on but fuel consumption seemed to still be equal.
the 330ci is fairly frugal for its size and the honda fairly thirsty(prob due to vtec) im going to guess the civic is a fraction better round town though on the juice.
we never pushed it to the limit but living in rural bucks and chosing the quieter b road route to work we were able to 'have fun' every now and again and i would say the cars were fairly evenly matched, yes the bmw is heavy but on good tyres it holds the road very well and you have alot of grunt from as little as 2k rpm if your in the right gear.
up to around 70 they are neck and neck, after that the 330 has the edge and with abit of practice the 330 can be launched VERY well (m sport with the wider 255 rear tyres)
you have to remember the ctr is only 140ish bhp until it comes onto vtec, so as soon as you want to drive with anything better than average acceleration you need to really rev it, which is bloody good fun i admit! but it does like a drink at the higher end of the rev range.
you need an m sport and ideally a coupe though, pick a 4 door se 330i and you wont see where the type r went on the b roads.
both like to use a drop of oil aswell
rich85uk said:
i have a 330ci and my work mate had an ep3 ctr.
doing the same route to work everyday (mixture of fast a and b roads, very little start/stop traffic) we were both getting roughly 340ish miles to a tank less if we pressed on but fuel consumption seemed to still be equal.
the 330ci is fairly frugal for its size and the honda fairly thirsty(prob due to vtec) im going to guess the civic is a fraction better round town though on the juice.
we never pushed it to the limit but living in rural bucks and chosing the quieter b road route to work we were able to 'have fun' every now and again and i would say the cars were fairly evenly matched, yes the bmw is heavy but on good tyres it holds the road very well and you have alot of grunt from as little as 2k rpm if your in the right gear.
up to around 70 they are neck and neck, after that the 330 has the edge and with abit of practice the 330 can be launched VERY well (m sport with the wider 255 rear tyres)
you have to remember the ctr is only 140ish bhp until it comes onto vtec, so as soon as you want to drive with anything better than average acceleration you need to really rev it, which is bloody good fun i admit! but it does like a drink at the higher end of the rev range.
you need an m sport and ideally a coupe though, pick a 4 door se 330i and you wont see where the type r went on the b roads.
both like to use a drop of oil aswell
Er...you do realise that the 330i has a 60litre tank vs a 45 litre tank for the ctr. doing the same route to work everyday (mixture of fast a and b roads, very little start/stop traffic) we were both getting roughly 340ish miles to a tank less if we pressed on but fuel consumption seemed to still be equal.
the 330ci is fairly frugal for its size and the honda fairly thirsty(prob due to vtec) im going to guess the civic is a fraction better round town though on the juice.
we never pushed it to the limit but living in rural bucks and chosing the quieter b road route to work we were able to 'have fun' every now and again and i would say the cars were fairly evenly matched, yes the bmw is heavy but on good tyres it holds the road very well and you have alot of grunt from as little as 2k rpm if your in the right gear.
up to around 70 they are neck and neck, after that the 330 has the edge and with abit of practice the 330 can be launched VERY well (m sport with the wider 255 rear tyres)
you have to remember the ctr is only 140ish bhp until it comes onto vtec, so as soon as you want to drive with anything better than average acceleration you need to really rev it, which is bloody good fun i admit! but it does like a drink at the higher end of the rev range.
you need an m sport and ideally a coupe though, pick a 4 door se 330i and you wont see where the type r went on the b roads.
both like to use a drop of oil aswell
On a B road, the CTR will eat the 330i for breakfast anyday. Trust me, I have both.
The 330i doesn't enjoy being hammered - it is a 7/10 car. The CTR begs to be driven hard, especially over country roads.
I think the biggest question is what sort of car do you want? A quick, luxury RWD Coupe or a stripped out, hard, raw, road racing FWD Coupe?
I'd have a 330Ci, I'd get the bus before I bought a Teg Type R.
Others wouldnt want a 330Ci but would crave a Type R.
They are totally different cars and I'm suprised both are being considered. You are either one want sort of car or the other.
I'd have a 330Ci, I'd get the bus before I bought a Teg Type R.
Others wouldnt want a 330Ci but would crave a Type R.
They are totally different cars and I'm suprised both are being considered. You are either one want sort of car or the other.
CaptainAhab said:
Er...you do realise that the 330i has a 60litre tank vs a 45 litre tank for the ctr.
hmmm i should have have considered that really, my bad il get my coat lol!although i got a calculated 28.9 mpg on my last tank load(not what the trip computer said, but actually manually working it out) which is a mixture on town, gentle and hard driving. i think thats not too bad for a 3 litre thats just shy of 240bhp
fair enough im sure both on there limits driven my pro racers the CTR is the one to have for track use and would be the quickest.
but a 330ci m sport, (not se) is more capable than most would think.
my mate who has a track prepped 172 was suprised how well mine handled.
if you do above 32mpg in either of the cars, your doing well
Neil.D said:
NickXX said:
sonnyb said:
With such cars, mpg, ie economy should not be your primary consideration........
Rubbish, both cars make good daily drivers, they're not garage queen supercars...I think the point being made was that they are, well the BMW anyway, at the upper echelon of 'sports copues' and thus will not return super duper MPG. The BMW will also be potentially expensive with an Insp 2 plus an unexpected repair will wipe out any fuel saving on something like a miserable Renault clio diesel or similar.
I think you can probably expect something in the reigion of the mid to upper twenties if you are lucky.
There are plently on the roads so they cant be that terrible on fuel.
It is best thought of as a good long distance tourer with good performance when you need it.
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