Brakes and Discs M400 (track&road)

[sundance02]

Quick question guys, After reading through the threads and info on PH if i got this right the best proven set up for front and back is


AP 330 grooved discs L/R front
AP 330 grooved discs L/R rear

Pads Pagid RS19 front/back

Bell fitting kit req for front
Rear straight swap.

Skim discs on car once fitted to keep brake judder to a min.

Is there another set up that i can use which is just a straight swap and does not req a bell fitting kit or do they all req this kit? or have i got it completly wrong.
I am just about to buy and would really appreciate your input.

I drive the car most days and will be doing a few track days and would like to get the right set up.

Many thanks
Craig

[anotherdom]

Fronts on the car use an alloy bell to mount the discs as standard (AP Racing setup). The fitting kit just replaces the mounting hardware, reusing the original bell.

Dom.

[RobP]

Sounds about right. If you do a fair bit of track work, then RS29s would be the pad of choice. With proper application of copperslip they are not too noisy.
Front rotors come separate from bell so you have to remove and reuse the old ones and always use new bolts/nuts (ie the kit). Very simple job.
Make sure everything is meticulously clean before reassembling onto hub.
if you don't have any run-out on the hubs you shouldn't really have to skim the new discs. But won't do any harm.

[nigelw]

worth cleaning up the back of the bell and the hub before re fitting to ensure that no run out is caused by that .. (sorry , fairly obvious I suppose ) Nigel

[daddysumo]

Who should I go to for the RS29's ?

[sundance02]

RobP said:

Sounds about right. If you do a fair bit of track work, then RS29s would be the pad of choice. With proper application of copperslip they are not too noisy.
Front rotors come separate from bell so you have to remove and reuse the old ones and always use new bolts/nuts (ie the kit). Very simple job.
Make sure everything is meticulously clean before reassembling onto hub.
if you don't have any run-out on the hubs you shouldn't really have to skim the new discs. But won't do any harm.

Thanks Rob for the heads up was wanting the 29s but the noise factor put me off.
Think now it makes sense to fit 29s.

Am going to fit myself with some help, so the info was mucho appreciated.
Was going to skim discs because i just cured the judder prob i had before, by skiming on the car. Thanks to a nobleman on ph who gave me the heads up.
Was kinda thinking it would be there again when i put new ones on so was a precution.

[sundance02]

Thanks all for you help will go and get prices now on this set up


AP330 F/B L/R Discs grooved
Pagid RS29s pads F/B
Bell fitting kit.

are the nuts and bolts inc in the kit or charged sep?

Thanks again
Craig

[RobP]

daddysumo said:

Who should I go to for the RS29's ?

Steve - I get mine from Plans. But be prepared for some buttock clenching - £239.63 (inc VAT and P&P) just for the fronts. If you find a better price, let me know!!!

[sundance02]

Ok have ordered from south west lotus total cost £729.45 incl. including bell kit and nuts and bolts

AP racing now make a mod grooved disc designed for the Noble supplied to Noble named CG8 can be sourced through Noble network, its the same as the AP330s.

Just waiting price on pads.

[Air Support]

RobP said:

Sounds about right. If you do a fair bit of track work, then RS29s would be the pad of choice. With proper application of copperslip they are not too noisy.
Front rotors come separate from bell so you have to remove and reuse the old ones and always use new bolts/nuts (ie the kit). Very simple job.
Make sure everything is meticulously clean before reassembling onto hub.
if you don't have any run-out on the hubs you shouldn't really have to skim the new discs. But won't do any harm.

Rob

Long time since I used any, but presumably copperslip isn't something I can use (or shouldn't use) without taking the pads out.
I would really like my RS29s to be a little quieter round town - any idea if anything can be done without taking the pads out please?

Thanks

[2.5bluenob]

Air Support said:

RobP said:

Sounds about right. If you do a fair bit of track work, then RS29s would be the pad of choice. With proper application of copperslip they are not too noisy.
Front rotors come separate from bell so you have to remove and reuse the old ones and always use new bolts/nuts (ie the kit). Very simple job.
Make sure everything is meticulously clean before reassembling onto hub.
if you don't have any run-out on the hubs you shouldn't really have to skim the new discs. But won't do any harm.

Rob

Long time since I used any, but presumably copperslip isn't something I can use (or shouldn't use) without taking the pads out.
I would really like my RS29s to be a little quieter round town - any idea if anything can be done without taking the pads out please?

Thanks

well if you dont want to take out the pads wear some ear defenders!

[Air Support]

2.5bluenob said:

Air Support said:

RobP said:

Sounds about right. If you do a fair bit of track work, then RS29s would be the pad of choice. With proper application of copperslip they are not too noisy.
Front rotors come separate from bell so you have to remove and reuse the old ones and always use new bolts/nuts (ie the kit). Very simple job.
Make sure everything is meticulously clean before reassembling onto hub.
if you don't have any run-out on the hubs you shouldn't really have to skim the new discs. But won't do any harm.

Rob

Long time since I used any, but presumably copperslip isn't something I can use (or shouldn't use) without taking the pads out.
I would really like my RS29s to be a little quieter round town - any idea if anything can be done without taking the pads out please?

Thanks

well if you dont want to take out the pads wear some ear defenders!

Genius!! You might have something here. That's a genuine solution which also saves trying to hear the radio and does away with tyre and wind noise in one stroke. Maybe there is a market in Noble logoed ear defenders - can you do them to match the exterior colour please?

[RobP]

Air Support said:

RobP said:

Sounds about right. If you do a fair bit of track work, then RS29s would be the pad of choice. With proper application of copperslip they are not too noisy.
Front rotors come separate from bell so you have to remove and reuse the old ones and always use new bolts/nuts (ie the kit). Very simple job.
Make sure everything is meticulously clean before reassembling onto hub.
if you don't have any run-out on the hubs you shouldn't really have to skim the new discs. But won't do any harm.

Rob

Long time since I used any, but presumably copperslip isn't something I can use (or shouldn't use) without taking the pads out.
I would really like my RS29s to be a little quieter round town - any idea if anything can be done without taking the pads out please?

Thanks

Sorry - it's a pads out job; but any job that I can do must be easy! The only potential problem is if any of the retaining pins have 'welded' themselves to the callipers. Find a suitably sized bit of metal (I used an old Torx screwdriver) and drift the pins out.
Copperslip should be applied to rear of pads (obviously!) and also at the top and bottom of the leading edge of the pad. A special piston-pushing tool (v cheap) makes the job of pad insertion a doddle and negates any possibility of damaging the rubber piston seal.
Whilst the pads are out give them and the discs a good scrub with coarse emery paper.
Re-assemble and do half a doz 70-30mph stops and you're good to go for squeal free motoring.

[Adrian W]

Some stainless steel shims would stop them squeeling, I keep meaning to do this, just draw around the pad and off you go with the tin snips.

[sundance02]

Have managed to source the yellow rs29s Fronts £200+vat Rears. £216+vat
PP £8+vat www.racepads.co.uk. After speaking with Pagid there is no real solution for noise they are a race pad and when cold will be noisy but not so much when hot. I think they are worth the compromise, a little noise, but plenty of stopping power.

[Adrian W]

sundance02 said:

Have managed to source the yellow rs29s Fronts £200+vat Rears. £216+vat
PP £8+vat www.racepads.co.uk. After speaking with Pagid there is no real solution for noise they are a race pad and when cold will be noisy but not so much when hot. I think they are worth the compromise, a little noise, but plenty of stopping power.

They will squeal all the time in town, but work well hot or cold

[daddysumo]

Adrian W said:

Some stainless steel shims would stop them squeeling, I keep meaning to do this, just draw around the pad and off you go with the tin snips.

Or titanium ones which also reduces the conducted heat through the pistons....

[FUNKSTER UK]

I wish my brakes could squeal
Spose thats not likely to happen without an engine in though.

[Stella Artois]

daddysumo said:

Adrian W said:

Some stainless steel shims would stop them squeeling, I keep meaning to do this, just draw around the pad and off you go with the tin snips.

Or titanium ones which also reduces the conducted heat through the pistons....

I'll see what I can dig out the bin.

[sundance02]

Thanks again for the tips gents, All the kit arrived today.


Am fitting tomorrow hopefully straight forward.

IF i have any probs i give you a shout if thats cool?

sorry about the link on my post above, didnt know it wasnt working heres the details of where i got the pads from.
Competition Braking Products. Best price i could find for the pads.
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]